Sam's Club Greenball Transmaster tires

CKNSLS wrote:

MM49 wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

MM49 wrote:
At the four year mark I had four blowouts. The first blowout was on the way up north. The return trip I had three blowouts.
I could not recommend the tires for anything but intermittent local use.
MM49

Did they give you 4 years of reliable service? How were they stored when not in use?

I thought that they were the best tire made until that faithful trip. The tire had no special care at all. I just checked air pressure which never changed during their life. The experience with these tires really highlighted internal deterioration factor on trailer use tires. I just think that trailer use is really hard on any tire. I was pulling a 1998 Jayco 24FK, Greenball tires 225.75-R15E
MM49

The point is that they gave you 4 years of service, and sat out in the sun. So how are they are terrible tire? How would another tire subjected to the same conditions have performed differently?

Couple of points-

1) 3 to 5 years is normal ST tire life
2) When a tire fails on one side of the trailer-the remaining tire on the same side needs to be replaced-as it has been "weakened" by the blowout event.

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTrailerTireFacts.dos

So here we have a case to where "China Bombs" performed to their specifications and they are being bashed anyway.

I never bashed the Greenball tires. You’re the one that did that. I think that the Geenball tire performance was quite normal of ST tires of that era. I had about the same performance out of Marathon tires also. Times have changed and so have the formulation for ST tires.
MM49

gmw photos wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

gmw photos wrote:
Just a point of reference, we recently took a set of Good Year P metric car tires ( Aquatread ) out of service on a car in the family. These passenger car tires were on this car for just over 11 years. They still had over half their original tread, so as we can see, they sat a lot. Yet, when they were used, throughout their 11 year life, they always performed as expected, on the highway, or on city streets. None of them failed at any time, in any way during their life.
Are they, as passenger car tires, made "better", to a "higher standard" ? I don't know. What I do know is they worked. We got our money out of that set of tires.

Yes-passenger tires are tested to higher standards than ST tires. However,this isn't an apples to apples comparison-as ST trailer tires are subject to much different on the road characteristics than a passenger tire. Much more dramatic sidewall pressure when turning, no sophisticated suspension systems (for the most part) etc.

BTW-running 11 year old tires on anything that travels down the road is very dangerous. You got lucky.

From the "for what it's worth departments here"...... I don't feel "we got lucky" at all. Michelin, Good Year and other majors routinely say say ten years is acceptable. ( EDIT: on P and LT tires )
So I will respectfully disagree with your statement that we got lucky. I think what we got was "good, normal life out of a product that is designed and tested to high standards of safety".

Not all products are built to those same standards. ....just sayin'.....
To all out there: do the homework. Choose carefully.

Unless I misread your post the tires in question per YOUR STATEMENT were 11 years old-

"The British Rubber Manufacturers Association (BRMA) recommended practice issued June, 2001, states "BRMA members strongly recommend that unused tyres should not be put into service if they are over six years old and that all tyres should be replaced ten years from the date of their manufacture."

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CKNSLS wrote:

gmw photos wrote:
Just a point of reference, we recently took a set of Good Year P metric car tires ( Aquatread ) out of service on a car in the family. These passenger car tires were on this car for just over 11 years. They still had over half their original tread, so as we can see, they sat a lot. Yet, when they were used, throughout their 11 year life, they always performed as expected, on the highway, or on city streets. None of them failed at any time, in any way during their life.
Are they, as passenger car tires, made "better", to a "higher standard" ? I don't know. What I do know is they worked. We got our money out of that set of tires.

Yes-passenger tires are tested to higher standards than ST tires. However,this isn't an apples to apples comparison-as ST trailer tires are subject to much different on the road characteristics than a passenger tire. Much more dramatic sidewall pressure when turning, no sophisticated suspension systems (for the most part) etc.

BTW-running 11 year old tires on anything that travels down the road is very dangerous. You got lucky.

From the "for what it's worth departments here"...... I don't feel "we got lucky" at all. Michelin, Good Year and other majors routinely say say ten years is acceptable. ( EDIT: on P and LT tires )
So I will respectfully disagree with your statement that we got lucky. I think what we got was "good, normal life out of a product that is designed and tested to high standards of safety".

Not all products are built to those same standards. ....just sayin'.....
To all out there: do the homework. Choose carefully.

gmw photos wrote:
Just a point of reference, we recently took a set of Good Year P metric car tires ( Aquatread ) out of service on a car in the family. These passenger car tires were on this car for just over 11 years. They still had over half their original tread, so as we can see, they sat a lot. Yet, when they were used, throughout their 11 year life, they always performed as expected, on the highway, or on city streets. None of them failed at any time, in any way during their life.
Are they, as passenger car tires, made "better", to a "higher standard" ? I don't know. What I do know is they worked. We got our money out of that set of tires.

Yes-passenger tires are tested to higher standards than ST tires. However,this isn't an apples to apples comparison-as ST trailer tires are subject to much different on the road characteristics than a passenger tire. Much more dramatic sidewall pressure when turning, no sophisticated suspension systems (for the most part) etc.

BTW-running 11 year old tires on anything that travels down the road is very dangerous. You got lucky.

Just a point of reference, we recently took a set of Good Year P metric car tires ( Aquatread ) out of service on a car in the family. These passenger car tires were on this car for just over 11 years. They still had over half their original tread, so as we can see, they sat a lot. Yet, when they were used, throughout their 11 year life, they always performed as expected, on the highway, or on city streets. None of them failed at any time, in any way during their life.
Are they, as passenger car tires, made "better", to a "higher standard" ? I don't know. What I do know is they worked. We got our money out of that set of tires.

MM49 wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

MM49 wrote:
At the four year mark I had four blowouts. The first blowout was on the way up north. The return trip I had three blowouts.
I could not recommend the tires for anything but intermittent local use.
MM49

Did they give you 4 years of reliable service? How were they stored when not in use?

I thought that they were the best tire made until that faithful trip. The tire had no special care at all. I just checked air pressure which never changed during their life. The experience with these tires really highlighted internal deterioration factor on trailer use tires. I just think that trailer use is really hard on any tire. I was pulling a 1998 Jayco 24FK, Greenball tires 225.75-R15E
MM49

The point is that they gave you 4 years of service, and sat out in the sun. So how are they are terrible tire? How would another tire subjected to the same conditions have performed differently?

Couple of points-

1) 3 to 5 years is normal ST tire life
2) When a tire fails on one side of the trailer-the remaining tire on the same side needs to be replaced-as it has been "weakened" by the blowout event.

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTrailerTireFacts.dos

So here we have a case to where "China Bombs" performed to their specifications and they are being bashed anyway.

CKNSLS wrote:

MM49 wrote:
At the four year mark I had four blowouts. The first blowout was on the way up north. The return trip I had three blowouts.
I could not recommend the tires for anything but intermittent local use.
MM49

Did they give you 4 years of reliable service? How were they stored when not in use?

I thought that they were the best tire made until that faithful trip. The tire had no special care at all. I just checked air pressure which never changed during their life. The experience with these tires really highlighted internal deterioration factor on trailer use tires. I just think that trailer use is really hard on any tire. I was pulling a 1998 Jayco 24FK, Greenball tires 225.75-R15E
MM49

CKNSLS wrote:

MM49 wrote:
At the four year mark I had four blowouts. The first blowout was on the way up north. The return trip I had three blowouts.
I could not recommend the tires for anything but intermittent local use.
MM49

Did they give you 4 years of reliable service? How were they stored when not in use?

Are you kidding? Only 4 years of service from any tire is unacceptable!!

MM49 wrote:
At the four year mark I had four blowouts. The first blowout was on the way up north. The return trip I had three blowouts.
I could not recommend the tires for anything but intermittent local use.
MM49

Did they give you 4 years of reliable service? How were they stored when not in use?

At the four year mark I had four blowouts. The first blowout was on the way up north. The return trip I had three blowouts.
I could not recommend the tires for anything but intermittent local use.
MM49