Self defense while traveling

There are varying States Concealed carry permits that are valid in almost every State. The Idaho Enhanced CC is one of them. It allows you to carry in I believe 45 States. There are some States that don't recognize any other States laws and don't even allow their own citizens to CC. Check into some of the States you are around and ask about their non-residence CC and look into what States they are valid. We just elect to not visit those States that do not allow CC. You can carry a long gun-unloaded in your MH in all States. Not quite sure what an unloaded gun is going to do for you, but you can carry it.

toedtoes wrote:

et2 wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
I do believe that guns are dangerous - I just don't think that by itself that means they should all be banned. I do not believe that the government is smarter than the people - I just don't think that by itself that means people should be allowed to do anything they want.

Guns are NOT dangerous. I have carried one at work for 13 years and never injured or killed anyone with it. If anything... BULLETS are dangerous. Again... I have never heard of a bullet jumping up and hurting or killing someone. There is ALWAYS someone on the other side of that trigger that pulls it and causes injury or death. The person with the gun is dangerous... NOT THE GUN.

I never stated that people should be able to do anything they want. I stated that I agree with the right to possess a firearm (except for mentally ill or convicted felons). I believe there should be more stringent requirements to carrying a gun though. As I stated before, you should have some type of minimal qualifications, legal training and force on force training every year if you want to carry a gun. I go through that to carry my gun... I don't see why a citizen shouldn't have that same right as long as they meet the same criteria.

Gun are dangerous. Just like cars are dangerous. Or knives. Or firecrackers. Or medicine. They create a potential for injury based on their inherent traits. Yes, a person must be present in order for that danger to take place, but that doesn't remove the inherent danger of the device/item in itself.

My comment about "doing anything they want" wasn't directed at you in particular. It was directed at the idea that gets tossed around in these arguments that any gun regulation is evil and there should be no regulations regarding guns ever.

If you read my posts, you would see that I agree with you about training, qualifications, etc. I would have no problem with that - but as long as the NRA opposes any and all gun regulation, it's never going to see realization.

This country has got to learn that you can't have all or nothing. Everything in a community is a compromise. Learn to find a compromise that works and these hot topic issues will fade away. Keep insisting that your believe/desire is the only one that is acceptable and nothing less will be tolerated is only going to make things worse. (And no, I'm not saying this about you - I'm saying it against those on both sides unwilling to work together regarding any friggin' issue out there).

There are plenty of gun regulations and people who keep trying to change them, many would get rid of guns altogether. Look at what's going on in this country now. People want less law enforcement due to them doing their jobs asked of them. This country is becoming more and more lawless by the day. Many Law enforcement are backing off in light of many things that have gone in certain parts of this country in the last couple of years. Go ask people in those areas where the riots were how their lives are now. The cops won't show up anymore. They are turned into a crime infested rat hole even worse then before.

Some people aren't happy unless they're telling everyone else how to live their lives. You either support the constitution or you don't.

Yes, there are people who want to get rid of guns altogether. Just like there are people who think they should be able to shoot anyone with their gun and call it self defense. This country has been polarizing so much that rather than discuss a rational solution with a rational person on the other side of the issue, people will latch onto those extremists and refuse to move an inch.

News: the founding fathers COMPROMISED with each other when they wrote the constitution. Instead of insisting that everyone else agree with their view, they found ways to meet in the middle. It's a shame that both sides of every argument nowadays try to use the founding fathers as their justification to be stubborn, unreasonable, unbending,and self-righteous. If our founding fathers had acted like that we wouldn't be the UNITED States of America.

I think you are taking a lot of liberty trying to categorize "legal" gun owners and those licensed to carry as people who think they have the right to shoot anyone and call it self defense. They aren't (we) aren't any different from you stabbing someone, punching someone, macing, using any weapon of your choice and calling it self defense.

The difference is they have to go through training to carry that weapon and understand to legal ramifications of using it. The difference is if they do use it there is probably a very good reason they did so and face more scrutiny than you due to all the changing regulations you like so much. Your stereotyping of gun owners is ridiculous.

The great thing about it is, they, you and me will most likely stand before a court and jury to decide who was justified in using the force applied to stop the threat to you or someone else. Whether you used a frying pan, rolling pin, knife or God forbid a gun, we all will end up in front of a jury who will decide. But for many like you isnt good enough, because it doesn't always end up like you want it.

The compromise is printed under the constitution. What's the beef? The compromise are the people trying to change it to fit their agenda.

I would read page 10 of every NRA magazine (American Rifleman) that I could find. Then, I would read the rest of the magazine, and get a good idea of where to ask gun-related questions.

If you aren't proficient in hand-to-hand combat, bring a weapon.

I carry pepper spray on my bicycle because a .45 doesn't hang on the handlebars all that well.

Wasp spray is a good idea if killing innocents is a concern. Good luck.

Back in 1992 I did some research for a presentation about gun laws. AT that time there were over 600 gun laws (State) that affected ME the law biding citizen......600 gun laws that had little to no affect on the 'other' citizens.

Since then many hundreds of more gun laws have been passed.....ALL which affect ME the law biding citizen.

Compromise.......that is all the law biding citizen has done.
Enough all ready.
Enforce the existing laws on the books ---State/Federal. There are enough to send those 'other' citizens to jail for life.

It's a proven fact, over and over again, that states and communities that support the right for citizens to keep and bear arms are some of the safest communities around.

For example, Kennesaw Georgia (suburb of Atlanta) has a mandatory gun posession law. In 1982, Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed an ordinance requiring households to own at least one firearm with ammunition. The law states that its purpose is to “protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants”.

In 2007, the city was selected by Family Circle magazine as one of the nation's "10 best towns for families".

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.

By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city’s crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township’s crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.

Say what you will, but there are evil people in the world. Evil people are not deterred by a population who is unable to defend themselves. A "gun ban" only means the criminals will have guns. On the other hand, the threat, or potential that a citizen MAY be armed is many times enough for someone with criminal intent to look elsewhere for an easier victim.

The constitution gives us ALL the same rights. It is not up for interpretation. I strongly believe the states are in violation of the US constitution by imposing additional restrictions on the right to bear arms. Just think if one of the states said you cannot speak out anymore against certain things? Think of the screaming about the violation of the first amendment that would occur! Yet, we, as people, aren't outraged about the attempts to erode or circumvent the second amendment because the people that are for gun control are typically ill informed, or like to jump on the bandwagon of "chic" issues. Then, when a tragedy occurs, insteady of trying to address the REAL reason for the tragedy lets just blame it on the fact that it was a gun that was used.

Mike

et2 wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
I do believe that guns are dangerous - I just don't think that by itself that means they should all be banned. I do not believe that the government is smarter than the people - I just don't think that by itself that means people should be allowed to do anything they want.

Guns are NOT dangerous. I have carried one at work for 13 years and never injured or killed anyone with it. If anything... BULLETS are dangerous. Again... I have never heard of a bullet jumping up and hurting or killing someone. There is ALWAYS someone on the other side of that trigger that pulls it and causes injury or death. The person with the gun is dangerous... NOT THE GUN.

I never stated that people should be able to do anything they want. I stated that I agree with the right to possess a firearm (except for mentally ill or convicted felons). I believe there should be more stringent requirements to carrying a gun though. As I stated before, you should have some type of minimal qualifications, legal training and force on force training every year if you want to carry a gun. I go through that to carry my gun... I don't see why a citizen shouldn't have that same right as long as they meet the same criteria.

Gun are dangerous. Just like cars are dangerous. Or knives. Or firecrackers. Or medicine. They create a potential for injury based on their inherent traits. Yes, a person must be present in order for that danger to take place, but that doesn't remove the inherent danger of the device/item in itself.

My comment about "doing anything they want" wasn't directed at you in particular. It was directed at the idea that gets tossed around in these arguments that any gun regulation is evil and there should be no regulations regarding guns ever.

If you read my posts, you would see that I agree with you about training, qualifications, etc. I would have no problem with that - but as long as the NRA opposes any and all gun regulation, it's never going to see realization.

This country has got to learn that you can't have all or nothing. Everything in a community is a compromise. Learn to find a compromise that works and these hot topic issues will fade away. Keep insisting that your believe/desire is the only one that is acceptable and nothing less will be tolerated is only going to make things worse. (And no, I'm not saying this about you - I'm saying it against those on both sides unwilling to work together regarding any friggin' issue out there).

There are plenty of gun regulations and people who keep trying to change them, many would get rid of guns altogether. Look at what's going on in this country now. People want less law enforcement due to them doing their jobs asked of them. This country is becoming more and more lawless by the day. Many Law enforcement are backing off in light of many things that have gone in certain parts of this country in the last couple of years. Go ask people in those areas where the riots were how their lives are now. The cops won't show up anymore. They are turned into a crime infested rat hole even worse then before.

Some people aren't happy unless they're telling everyone else how to live their lives. You either support the constitution or you don't.

Yes, there are people who want to get rid of guns altogether. Just like there are people who think they should be able to shoot anyone with their gun and call it self defense. This country has been polarizing so much that rather than discuss a rational solution with a rational person on the other side of the issue, people will latch onto those extremists and refuse to move an inch.

News: the founding fathers COMPROMISED with each other when they wrote the constitution. Instead of insisting that everyone else agree with their view, they found ways to meet in the middle. It's a shame that both sides of every argument nowadays try to use the founding fathers as their justification to be stubborn, unreasonable, unbending,and self-righteous. If our founding fathers had acted like that we wouldn't be the UNITED States of America.

toedtoes wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
I do believe that guns are dangerous - I just don't think that by itself that means they should all be banned. I do not believe that the government is smarter than the people - I just don't think that by itself that means people should be allowed to do anything they want.

Guns are NOT dangerous. I have carried one at work for 13 years and never injured or killed anyone with it. If anything... BULLETS are dangerous. Again... I have never heard of a bullet jumping up and hurting or killing someone. There is ALWAYS someone on the other side of that trigger that pulls it and causes injury or death. The person with the gun is dangerous... NOT THE GUN.

I never stated that people should be able to do anything they want. I stated that I agree with the right to possess a firearm (except for mentally ill or convicted felons). I believe there should be more stringent requirements to carrying a gun though. As I stated before, you should have some type of minimal qualifications, legal training and force on force training every year if you want to carry a gun. I go through that to carry my gun... I don't see why a citizen shouldn't have that same right as long as they meet the same criteria.

Gun are dangerous. Just like cars are dangerous. Or knives. Or firecrackers. Or medicine. They create a potential for injury based on their inherent traits. Yes, a person must be present in order for that danger to take place, but that doesn't remove the inherent danger of the device/item in itself.

My comment about "doing anything they want" wasn't directed at you in particular. It was directed at the idea that gets tossed around in these arguments that any gun regulation is evil and there should be no regulations regarding guns ever.

If you read my posts, you would see that I agree with you about training, qualifications, etc. I would have no problem with that - but as long as the NRA opposes any and all gun regulation, it's never going to see realization.

This country has got to learn that you can't have all or nothing. Everything in a community is a compromise. Learn to find a compromise that works and these hot topic issues will fade away. Keep insisting that your believe/desire is the only one that is acceptable and nothing less will be tolerated is only going to make things worse. (And no, I'm not saying this about you - I'm saying it against those on both sides unwilling to work together regarding any friggin' issue out there).

There are plenty of gun regulations and people who keep trying to change them, many would get rid of guns altogether. Look at what's going on in this country now. People want less law enforcement due to them doing their jobs asked of them. This country is becoming more and more lawless by the day. Many Law enforcement are backing off in light of many things that have gone in certain parts of this country in the last couple of years. Go ask people in those areas where the riots were how their lives are now. The cops won't show up anymore. They are turned into a crime infested rat hole even worse then before.

Some people aren't happy unless they're telling everyone else how to live their lives. You either support the constitution or you don't.

You can carry a gun through many states on your person with reciprocity laws in most - if properly licensed. A few states won't allow any and is ones responsibility to know those.

Our constitution provides many Americans the right to exercise their freedom and liberties by arming themselfs. Why so many other people find that offensive is disturbing in itself. The same freedoms many of them hold so near to their hearts, the freedom of speech as many here have exercised, and it's in contrast to other people exercising their freedoms.

I couldn't care less about what others think about those who carry. They blame it on paranoia and many other things. But as long as I have a right to do so, I'll protect their right to complain about it.

Carry on :)

spoon059 wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
I do believe that guns are dangerous - I just don't think that by itself that means they should all be banned. I do not believe that the government is smarter than the people - I just don't think that by itself that means people should be allowed to do anything they want.

Guns are NOT dangerous. I have carried one at work for 13 years and never injured or killed anyone with it. If anything... BULLETS are dangerous. Again... I have never heard of a bullet jumping up and hurting or killing someone. There is ALWAYS someone on the other side of that trigger that pulls it and causes injury or death. The person with the gun is dangerous... NOT THE GUN.

I never stated that people should be able to do anything they want. I stated that I agree with the right to possess a firearm (except for mentally ill or convicted felons). I believe there should be more stringent requirements to carrying a gun though. As I stated before, you should have some type of minimal qualifications, legal training and force on force training every year if you want to carry a gun. I go through that to carry my gun... I don't see why a citizen shouldn't have that same right as long as they meet the same criteria.

Gun are dangerous. Just like cars are dangerous. Or knives. Or firecrackers. Or medicine. They create a potential for injury based on their inherent traits. Yes, a person must be present in order for that danger to take place, but that doesn't remove the inherent danger of the device/item in itself.

My comment about "doing anything they want" wasn't directed at you in particular. It was directed at the idea that gets tossed around in these arguments that any gun regulation is evil and there should be no regulations regarding guns ever.

If you read my posts, you would see that I agree with you about training, qualifications, etc. I would have no problem with that - but as long as the NRA opposes any and all gun regulation, it's never going to see realization.

This country has got to learn that you can't have all or nothing. Everything in a community is a compromise. Learn to find a compromise that works and these hot topic issues will fade away. Keep insisting that your believe/desire is the only one that is acceptable and nothing less will be tolerated is only going to make things worse. (And no, I'm not saying this about you - I'm saying it against those on both sides unwilling to work together regarding any friggin' issue out there).