2013 Ford Diesel

blofgren wrote:
The risk of the CP4 high pressure fuel pump self destructing and ruining the entire fuel system to the tune of a $12-$15k repair was enough to steer me clear of them. I plan on keeping my truck well past the warranty period so it just simply was not a risk I was about to take. Interestingly enough I have not seen any documentation as to the changes in the "improved" high pressure fuel pump for 2015 which makes me think a couple of things:

1. Ford knew there was a problem with the pump in the 2011-2014 MY trucks and doesn't want to say so

And/or:

2. There aren't any significant changes to it and the risk of premature failure is still there.

In any case, too much secrecy for me.

I bought a new truck last year (in my signature) and am very pleased. And this is coming from 3 Ford pickups over the last 20 years, including both a 7.3L and 6.0L diesel.

I always keep my trucks past warranty and I plan to keep my '12 Super Duty well past warranty as well.

I have no concerns keeping my truck well past the warranty period and am confident it will continue to be the best truck I've owned to date. And this is coming from personally owning many GM's and with our Farm/Ranch been exposed to GM, Ford and Dodge and seen the reliability first hand. Or I should say my wallet see's it first hand! :W

BTW... Where's is your truck on this list?

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I have a 2012 Cummins. Good engine. My next door neighbor has a 2011 PS like you are looking at. His is a good engine. He got out of a 6.4. Expensive piece of junk. He drives his truck HARRRD. So far in over 180000 miles no major problems and it pulls his 31' TH well.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

we all know the majority did have problems with the 5.7 Olds diesel.

Really Troy? Care to post up a link to that data? You know, that one that shows over 50% had problems.

It was the diesel engine that put one big nasty stain on the diesel engine reputation in the US and was so bad that it still has left it's nasty mark with some avoiding GM diesel engines because of it.

100% correct. But most of the problems were caused by people turning up the pump much like the 6.0 problems that people put tuners on. :B
They were a great engine. How do I know? because I own several and never had any problems with them. :B

I remember hearing that the techs reporting that these engine would literally throw a rod just by the tech reving the engine during diagnostics.

I've worked on diesels for a long time and I can't think of a test where you have to rev a diesel so hard it will kick a rod. You're going to have to fill me in on that one?

And yes the vast majority (statistically speaking) is a good indicator of a engines reliability, durability, and performance.

I would say 9 out of 10 engines that are good is a vast majority. I still would not even consider buying a truck with such a rate.

Filter out the outliars from internet detractors like yourself, tuners/neglect

I'm not a detractor; I'm a realist. I call it like it is; good or bad. Ex: 7.3 Powerstroke GREAT engine. LBZ, GREAT engine. Ford V10, GREAT engine. 5.9 Cummins 04 on up, GREAT engine. Cummins 12V, GREAT engine.

The 6.0 JUNK. The 6.4 EXPENSIVE JUNK. The 5.7, JUNK. The 6.7 Powerstroke, a well designed engine with a so, so rep and a handful of fairly common problems that can get expensive.

And you can stop with the tuners and neglect. Ford or anybody else for that matter does not warrantee neglect or tuners. And Ford knew since the 6.4 came out when a tuner was used. A monkey could see it in the software. Anytime an engines blows up the download goes to FMC.

and I believe Ford as an outstanding engine/drivetrain that is second to none at this point in time.

That's fine. But you need to tell all the mags that test these trucks they are all wrong because the last test I saw the D-Max beat the Powerstroke up the hill in the towing test and best it in the fuel mileage test. Maybe you have different standards? :B

TNP,
We actually had a Olds 5.7 diesel and I'm going to leave it at that since all of this is irrelevant to the OP question.

op.....A 2013 Ford with the 6.7 would make as good a "used truck" as you can find. Especially if the price is right. Some of the people on here are so brand specific that they argue about trucks being no good even when they are brand new sitting on a dealers lot.

The risk of the CP4 high pressure fuel pump self destructing and ruining the entire fuel system to the tune of a $12-$15k repair was enough to steer me clear of them. I plan on keeping my truck well past the warranty period so it just simply was not a risk I was about to take. Interestingly enough I have not seen any documentation as to the changes in the "improved" high pressure fuel pump for 2015 which makes me think a couple of things:

1. Ford knew there was a problem with the pump in the 2011-2014 MY trucks and doesn't want to say so

And/or:

2. There aren't any significant changes to it and the risk of premature failure is still there.

In any case, too much secrecy for me.

I bought a new truck last year (in my signature) and am very pleased. And this is coming from 3 Ford pickups over the last 20 years, including both a 7.3L and 6.0L diesel.

we all know the majority did have problems with the 5.7 Olds diesel.

Really Troy? Care to post up a link to that data? You know, that one that shows over 50% had problems.

It was the diesel engine that put one big nasty stain on the diesel engine reputation in the US and was so bad that it still has left it's nasty mark with some avoiding GM diesel engines because of it.

100% correct. But most of the problems were caused by people turning up the pump much like the 6.0 problems that people put tuners on. :B
They were a great engine. How do I know? because I own several and never had any problems with them. :B

I remember hearing that the techs reporting that these engine would literally throw a rod just by the tech reving the engine during diagnostics.

I've worked on diesels for a long time and I can't think of a test where you have to rev a diesel so hard it will kick a rod. You're going to have to fill me in on that one?

And yes the vast majority (statistically speaking) is a good indicator of a engines reliability, durability, and performance.

I would say 9 out of 10 engines that are good is a vast majority. I still would not even consider buying a truck with such a rate.

Filter out the outliars from internet detractors like yourself, tuners/neglect

I'm not a detractor; I'm a realist. I call it like it is; good or bad. Ex: 7.3 Powerstroke GREAT engine. LBZ, GREAT engine. Ford V10, GREAT engine. 5.9 Cummins 04 on up, GREAT engine. Cummins 12V, GREAT engine.

The 6.0 JUNK. The 6.4 EXPENSIVE JUNK. The 5.7, JUNK. The 6.7 Powerstroke, a well designed engine with a so, so rep and a handful of fairly common problems that can get expensive.

And you can stop with the tuners and neglect. Ford or anybody else for that matter does not warrantee neglect or tuners. And Ford knew since the 6.4 came out when a tuner was used. A monkey could see it in the software. Anytime an engines blows up the download goes to FMC.

and I believe Ford as an outstanding engine/drivetrain that is second to none at this point in time.

That's fine. But you need to tell all the mags that test these trucks they are all wrong because the last test I saw the D-Max beat the Powerstroke up the hill in the towing test and best it in the fuel mileage test. Maybe you have different standards? :B

dreeder wrote:
I do not like the Ford HD's but unless money were no object I wouldn't keep any of the newer diesels out of warranty. I will say that after experiencing all of the latest trucks from the big three and warranty issues to go with them, Ford is the biggest pain in the rear to get warranty work approved and in some cases, like Ricatic's, just flat out denied.

I disagree... My cousin (diesel tech)has worked in both a Ford shop and now in a Chrysler shop and when performing warranty work he reports that Fords biggest issue with covering warranty work is on the Super Duty power folding mirrors of all things, but had no issues with warranty coverage on other repairs. On the other hand his experience with Chrysler (FCA) is there is much more red tape to get warranty coverage approval. And this comparison is from the same dealer.

As with all new engines, there are sure to be teething issues. The CP4 is known to be a little fragile, but it seems like the owners that have typically kept up with maintenance and buy fuel at areas of known quality tend to have a good experience with the engine. It doesn't seem to be anywhere the disaster the 6.0 was. I don't know much about the 6.4 to compare it to. There were some valve issues on the Scorpion when it first rolled out. However, by mid 2012 most of it was ironed out. The turbo is known to have a lot of weight on its shaft supporting 2 compressor wheels with a relatively small cartridge. So that does introduce a little more wear. However, seems like a few owners have dumped the Gen 1 turbo in favor of the more conventional Gen 2 turbo found on the 2015+ engines. Seems like a good upgrade for the motor (and from the videos I've watched, it sounds wickedly awesome if you're into mechanical noises). If it were me and I really wanted a blue oval truck, I'd certainly consider 2013+ super duties. However, I'd be more inclined to wait for prices to drop on 2015 super duties as you get access to the better turbo, upgraded fuel pump, upgraded engine block, and far better engine braking with the new setup. The 2015+ motor will out-brake the Cummins motor stock for stock. However, the Cummins can have a load leash installed onto it that's basically a jake brake (floats an exhaust valve) which doubles the engine-braking capability of a Cummins (Which is around 180 to 200 HP stock).

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

And the vast majority who have them have nothing but praise for the 6.7.

Going with this logic I'm sure the vast majority had no problems with their 5.7 Olds diesels. Must be a great engine if a majority has no problems with it. :S

TNP,
Your not fooling no one here :W and we all know the majority did have problems with the 5.7 Olds diesel. :W It was the diesel engine that put one big nasty stain on the diesel engine reputation in the US and was so bad that it still has left it's nasty mark with some avoiding GM diesel engines because of it. I remember hearing that the techs reporting that these engine would literally throw a rod just by the tech reving the engine during diagnostics.

And yes the vast majority (statistically speaking) is a good indicator of a engines reliability, durability, and performance.

Filter out the outliars from internet detractors like yourself, tuners/neglect, and I believe Ford as an outstanding engine/drivetrain that is second to none at this point in time.

I do not like the Ford HD's but unless money were no object I wouldn't keep any of the newer diesels out of warranty. I will say that after experiencing all of the latest trucks from the big three and warranty issues to go with them, Ford is the biggest pain in the rear to get warranty work approved and in some cases, like Ricatic's, just flat out denied.