2014 Ram 3500 vs Ike Gauntlet

This is one of the main reasons I do not have another Ford after 20 years of ownership; I did not feel like being a guinea pig again while they brought out Job 143X to correct the shortcomings of the previous versions. Anyone can say what they want but it is true.

It seems like the other manufacturers take more time before the release of the vehicle to iron out issues (remember the 2013 Ram 3500) rather than Ford's approach to release now and face the issues later. And that's only if they decide to cover the issues on warranty of course....

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
It's quite simple really; they don't need to. With a 6 speed there is more than enough gears to keep the Dmax in it's torque band.

For the billionth time: Gears don't make power, just torque, and torque don't get you up the hill faster, it just gets you up the hill.

If you want to get up the hill faster than the other guy you need to make HP and lots of it.

Ford had WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY more torque than Chevy in the last test. They only had a few more horses than Chevy but they were either playing fast and loose with the figures or their tranny ate a ton of power; one or the other. Couple that with a junk turbo and you will end up being first place looser. :B

It's funny how people say they don't want anymore horsepower but crow who won the latest shootout. :R

Fords turbo can't push enough air at high altitude to make equivalent power do to the smaller diameter turbo hence the reason for the 36mm unit. :B

Hence the reason for the: "Couple that with a junk turbo and you will end up being first place looser. :B"

No worries Troy. Maybe Ford will get it right the second time round. Errr, third time. This is now the 3rd gen turbo for the 6.7! :p

"I don't think so Tim" If you can remember that show. :p

Ford has used the same twin turbine turbo from '11-'14 models and the '15 will use a single larger turbine.

I will say the twin turbine turbo doesn't shine in high altitudes or exhaust brake (BTW neither are needed here in Texas), but let me tell you it shines with very little turbo lag and the truck takes off like a rocket really quick with or without a load. :B

FishOnOne wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
It's quite simple really; they don't need to. With a 6 speed there is more than enough gears to keep the Dmax in it's torque band.

For the billionth time: Gears don't make power, just torque, and torque don't get you up the hill faster, it just gets you up the hill.

If you want to get up the hill faster than the other guy you need to make HP and lots of it.

Ford had WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY more torque than Chevy in the last test. They only had a few more horses than Chevy but they were either playing fast and loose with the figures or their tranny ate a ton of power; one or the other. Couple that with a junk turbo and you will end up being first place looser. :B

It's funny how people say they don't want anymore horsepower but crow who won the latest shootout. :R

Fords turbo can't push enough air at high altitude to make equivalent power do to the smaller diameter turbo hence the reason for the 36mm unit. :B

Hence the reason for the: "Couple that with a junk turbo and you will end up being first place looser. :B"

No worries Troy. Maybe Ford will get it right the second time round. Errr, third time. This is now the 3rd gen turbo for the 6.7! :p

No MSG

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
It's quite simple really; they don't need to. With a 6 speed there is more than enough gears to keep the Dmax in it's torque band.

For the billionth time: Gears don't make power, just torque, and torque don't get you up the hill faster, it just gets you up the hill.

If you want to get up the hill faster than the other guy you need to make HP and lots of it.

Ford had WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY more torque than Chevy in the last test. They only had a few more horses than Chevy but they were either playing fast and loose with the figures or their tranny ate a ton of power; one or the other. Couple that with a junk turbo and you will end up being first place looser. :B

It's funny how people say they don't want anymore horsepower but crow who won the latest shootout. :R

Or Chevy WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY understated their torque. :W

Fords turbo can't push enough air at high altitude to make equivalent power do to the smaller diameter turbo hence the reason for the 36mm unit.

BTW... I never said I had enough horsepower and continue to enjoy the benefits with each truck upgrade in horsepower. 400 HP is nice.... 440 HP is nicer. :B

I have a 2014 ram 3500 and it will be fun to watch. I would think the ram exhaust brake in "full on" mode would have no issues keeping the speed down but then I again the hills of west va where I tow are nothing like the Rockies

FishOnOne wrote:

parkersdad wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

parkersdad wrote:
If you don't believe it then why is it that every year when a new truck comes out do they say will it competent with a Cummins?

Please provide a link to back up "Parkersdad" statement! If not.... step away from the I-talian Kool aid.

Here ya go, and yes I think Ram makes the best truck on the road. If you will Google it you will find lots of examples.
http://m.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/can-duramax-outlive-cummins-t132903.html?styleid=11

Ok that was a public forum in which I can find the same bias towards the other two diesels. There's nothing wrong with being a RAM enthusiasts, but the cummins is not the industry benchmark.

Now slowly step back and hand over the I-talian koolaid. :B

Not going to argue anymore but yes Cummins is the benchmark. It is the only one they use in dump trucks and real trucks. Also unless something has changed all large trucks are inline sixes because they can make more power down low.

Linky
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/1011dp_how_its_made_cummins_6_7l_engine/

It's quite simple really; they don't need to. With a 6 speed there is more than enough gears to keep the Dmax in it's torque band.

For the billionth time: Gears don't make power, just torque, and torque don't get you up the hill faster, it just gets you up the hill.

If you want to get up the hill faster than the other guy you need to make HP and lots of it.

Ford had WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY more torque than Chevy in the last test. They only had a few more horses than Chevy but they were either playing fast and loose with the figures or their tranny ate a ton of power; one or the other. Couple that with a junk turbo and you will end up being first place looser. :B

It's funny how people say they don't want anymore horsepower but crow who won the latest shootout. :R

parkersdad wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

parkersdad wrote:
If you don't believe it then why is it that every year when a new truck comes out do they say will it competent with a Cummins?

Please provide a link to back up "Parkersdad" statement! If not.... step away from the I-talian Kool aid.

Here ya go, and yes I think Ram makes the best truck on the road. If you will Google it you will find lots of examples.
http://m.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/can-duramax-outlive-cummins-t132903.html?styleid=11

Ok that was a public forum in which I can find the same bias towards the other two diesels. There's nothing wrong with being a RAM enthusiasts, but the cummins is not the industry benchmark.

Now slowly step back and hand over the I-talian koolaid. :B

FishOnOne wrote:

parkersdad wrote:
If you don't believe it then why is it that every year when a new truck comes out do they say will it competent with a Cummins?

Please provide a link to back up "Parkersdad" statement! If not.... step away from the I-talian Kool aid.

Here ya go, and yes I think Ram makes the best truck on the road. If you will Google it you will find lots of examples.
http://m.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/can-duramax-outlive-cummins-t132903.html?styleid=11