Dodge Ram payload vs Ford

My Brother in Laws 2013 F250 6.7 4x4 Supercab XLT longbed has a payload of 2289 lbs. The F250 with the 3000 lbs + payload is most likely the gas engine truck.

plkitchen wrote:
I was focusing on the laramie or laramie long horn 4x4 long bed. The ram web site indicates that the payload is just a little over 2000 lbs. I may consider a 3500 since there is not much of a price difference but a very significant difference in payload.

Right there is your answer, most of us hauling 5er’s will have a 3500/ 350 for that reason. The 2500/250 guys will avoid this with the RAWR bull. Then the 1500/150 guys really take bull to a new level :B

KD4UPL wrote:

Other than the legal wrangling to get around DOT laws there's really no reason for a 2500 truck to even be made.

How true. And who makes the most 2500’s . I’m certain it’s the bow tie.
Another reason for some kind of uniformed ratings such as J2807 . Right now each manufacturer can make any claim to ratings they dream up in the sales department.

Go to fords build site and it deducts weights as u pick options
Frank.

The last time I compared GM to Dodge the Dodge was significantly heavier. So, even with equal GVWR it had a lower payload rating.
I would just get the 3500. That's really the truck you want for towing and hauling. Other than the legal wrangling to get around DOT laws there's really no reason for a 2500 truck to even be made.

Have show this to my buddy who has a 1990 F350 with 567000 miles, engine never touched except for normal scheduled maintenance.

plkitchen wrote:
I was focusing on the laramie or laramie long horn 4x4 long bed. The ram web site indicates that the payload is just a little over 2000 lbs. I may consider a 3500 since there is not much of a price difference but a very significant difference in payload.

Laramie 2500 Crew Cab Long Bed 4z4 can be had with payload at 2,962. Just a quick piece of advice, check how much insurance would be for the 2500/250 versus 3500/350 and if your state has any licensing changes if you go above 10,000 GVWR.

Also another note, Ford is listing maximum capacities on their spreadsheet. Go to a dealer and open the door to look at the door plaque, you'll be amazed how far off the trucks can be payload wise once optioned up. I'm glad that RAM actually gives a guide that's specific to each model and trim level. I also fixed the link in my last post.

http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/tow_chart/

Man, my reading comprehension must be off for the day. I just now noticed you were mentioning diesels. Well if Diesel, you will find that the Ford payload will nearly match the RAM payload. Again, the spreadsheet on Ford's website is taking the lightest weight equipped version of the vehicle and wheelbase and noting the maximum payload. When I looked at a Ford F-250, its payload was also around the low 2k range IIRC. While on the RAM website, it gives very specific ratings for each vehicle. I highly recommend you go 1-ton in this case if you need the payload.

I was focusing on the laramie or laramie long horn 4x4 long bed. The ram web site indicates that the payload is just a little over 2000 lbs. I may consider a 3500 since there is not much of a price difference but a very significant difference in payload.

oilslick wrote:
The reason the rams is less is because the cummins diesel engine weighs so much more than either the ford or GM diesel engines and the gas motors weigh even less. The new 2500/3500 2013/14 ram trucks have a new frame suspension and axles with a greatly increased GVWR which in turn increased the payload of both the gas and diesel trucks.

There is only 160lbs difference in the dry weight between the Dodge and Ford diesel engines.
In 2011, The Dodge had 1000lbs less GVWR and more than 1000lbs less payload for the DRW. I would have been over weight if I bought a Dodge for my new camper before adding water, propane and stuff.The new model Dodges are now competitive with Ford and Chevy as far a GVWR and payload in most models.

To the OP. I decided to take a look at the specs. Looking at the quick specs, it looks like they're listing minimum spec on the RAM side (basically tallest gear ratio and some other stuff). However if you go to the towing/capabilities page, where you can sort all the models by configuration and order them by towing capacity, payload capacity, etc... they are just a few hundred pounds behind Ford. Here's the link clicky to the RAM page where you can sort configurations and such. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to get rid of the 3500's and just have the 2500's there. However, the highest capacity I see on their page is 3,071 on a tradesman crew cab long bed 4x4. This isn't far off from an F-250 long bed crew cab 4x4 which is rated at 3,140. Also on the Ford spec sheet, it looks like they're siting maximum numbers and they don't have trim specific weights.

To the others that question the whole 250/2500 vs. 350/3500 bit. Some states have vastly different insurance and licensing requirements for vehicles at or over 10,000 gvwr. That's why the big 3 manufacture 9,900 3/4 ton GVWR and 10,000 3/4 ton GVWR. However, in the case of Gas equipped trucks, the 3/4 and 1 ton are almost essentially the same truck as was posted on a different thread. The only time a 1-ton is certainly an advantage is when you order Diesel and all the weight that comes with it. Then the 1-ton trucks tend to just up their GVWR and associated equipment since they're already at or over the magical 10,000 number, while the 3/4 ton trucks just lose payload because they're trying to stay in that magical 10,000 or 9,900 lbs rating area.

Per Ford:

"Gross Axle Weight Rating is determined by the minimum component of the axle system (axles, computer-selected springs, wheels, tires) of a specific vehicle. Front and rear GAWR's wiill, in all cases, sum to a number equal to or greater than the GVWR for the particular vehicle. Maximum loaded vehicle (including passengers, equipment and payload) cannot exceed the GVW rating or GAWR (front or rear)."

The AAM axles and wheel bearings are the same for the GM and Ram trucks and rated at 10,900 lbs. so the payload reduction is based primarily on the rims and tires provided at the factory. All the manufacturers also subtract 150 lbs. per passenger seat from the payload rating which is why you will find that the trucks with a regular cab have the highest load rating.

I bought a 2500 as I wanted SRW and the GM extended cab and that was not available in a 3500 model. Also most of the 3500 trucks on the dealers' lots were 2WD and DRW and I wanted 4WD and SRW. I spent $450 to add Supersprings and turn my 2500 Duramax into a 3500 Duramax equivalent. The ONLY difference between the 3500 and 2500 Duramax was the extra leaf pack on the 1-ton and the availability of DRW.

For a camper my first choice would be a GM or Ram truck to get the much stiffer frames these two manufacturers provide. GM upgraded its truck frames in 2011 for both 2500 and 3500 and Ram is doing the same as of 2014 (in 2013 only the 1-ton Ram trucks got the upgraded frame). With DRW the frame flexing is even more of a problem and I would not choose Ford but pick between the other two.