F350 payload dispute

Crew Cab 4x4 176" WB, 6.7L diesel,
MAX PAYLOAD (XL, no options)
F250 ......................................2430 lbs.
F350 SRW w/17" whls ...........3940 lbs.
F350 SRW w/18"-20" whls ....3680 lbs.
F350 DRW .............................5820 lbs.
F450 DRW .............................5320 lbs.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2017/2017_F-250_F-350_F-450_SD_Pickups_-_Specs.pdf

Being the OP here, all I can say is OMG.

spoon059 wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
They is the insurance company. And yes, they did find him at fault for the accident because his vehicle was overloaded which was at least the partial cause of the accident. No BS.

Has nothing to do with legal or not, it has to do with liability.

Well, clearly every collision has an "at fault" vehicle. What did finding him "at fault" do to negatively effect him?

What does that have to do with the topic. The point is that there are many considerations to make if you choose to disregard stated weights other than will you get stopped by police.

The average person would say this thread is full of know it alls / morons with credentials of any other democratic internet forum. Maybe I should brag about my IQ before I post?

Common sense says.... 1)Don't buy a truck that is not rated for what you are trying to do 2)Don't believe internet know it alls 3)Buy the right tool for the job

Yes, there is a lot more too is than that, and a lot more assumptions that anyone could make, why bother? There are many factors that go into calculation of capacities, and it's funny to read the outsiders looking in and their theories.

toedtoes wrote:
They is the insurance company. And yes, they did find him at fault for the accident because his vehicle was overloaded which was at least the partial cause of the accident. No BS.

Has nothing to do with legal or not, it has to do with liability.

Well, clearly every collision has an "at fault" vehicle. What did finding him "at fault" do to negatively effect him?

They is the insurance company. And yes, they did find him at fault for the accident because his vehicle was overloaded which was at least the partial cause of the accident. No BS.

Has nothing to do with legal or not, it has to do with liability.

toedtoes wrote:
I believe if you are in an accident and you are overloaded they will use that against you. Happened to my aunt's ex years ago. He severely overloaded his vehicle and therefore was at fault for the accident.

Who is "they"?
Is "they" the police? Cause police can't do anything to you if you are under your registered weight and tire weights.
Is "they" the manufacturer? Cause that can't do anything but possibly deny warranty coverage if they can show that being overweight caused a specific item to break... not related to a wreck though.
Is "they" a civil jury? That is the most realistic theory based upon info you've presented. But still, a civil attorney would have to show a preponderance of evidence that you were overload AND it was a major contributing factor to a collision. Then again, if we are going down that rabbit hole then I hope you don't speed, I hope your tires are properly inflated, I hope you know the condition of your brake fluid, I hope you have sufficient tread on your tires, I hope you weren't speeding, I hope you weren't using a cell phone, I hope you weren't otherwise distracted, hope you adjusted your speed for road conditions (remember the max speed limit is for optimal road conditions) and I hope that numerous other things don't come to fruition.

Anywho, back to being "overweight"... what is the standard for being overweight? Is it the original equipment manufacturer (American Axle and Manufacturing) or is it the company that put the parts together (Ram)? What burden of proof is required to determine overweight? What about the fact that my vehicle, despite being overweight, has a better distance to stop than a 33,000 loaded dump truck? What if I am technically "overweight", but under my gross COMBINED weight rating?

toedtoes wrote:
I believe if you are in an accident and you are overloaded they will use that against you. Happened to my aunt's ex years ago. He severely overloaded his vehicle and therefore was at fault for the accident.

I call BS to that. If he was found at fault for negligence then it would have been regardless if he was over the manufactures payload rating or GVWR. If what you say were the case, then just about every state would get sued for registering vehicles to carry more weight than what is on the factory sticker which is very common.


The main reason for using GVWR for vehicles classification is for emissions standards and USDOT highway standards for different classes.

I believe if you are in an accident and you are overloaded they will use that against you. Happened to my aunt's ex years ago. He severely overloaded his vehicle and therefore was at fault for the accident.

I do purchasing of all vehicles and equipment for my employer. We DO NOT purchase a vehicle that is under the GVWR, tkre ratings, GAWR, etc., that we need to use it for. That is for liability purposes. If we tell an employee to tow/carry more than the vehicle is rated for, then we are liable if the employee is in an accident and the overloading can be even partially to blame for the accident.

Some of you engineers are using the do not go over this rating.
Police do not enforce the manufactures ratings. They enforce the max point load you can put on a road bed before damaging the road.
Hence the max load per axle wadcutter has pointed out. Or in Washington ST, those numbers can be reduced to a max of 500 lbs per inch width of tire. This is also in the federal bridge laws that are enforced by ALL 50 states. If a given state does not follow this law, federal funding can be reduced or deleted.
So one can flow the door sticker as NC likes to do. Others, follow their state they live in rules, pay licensing accordingly. I've paid for lights ending, been pulled over under the.paid for amount, but over door sticker numbers. I have yet to get an overweight ticket. Closest I.came was in my dump truck. Weighed in at 27200, licensed at 26,000. Under the max axle weights per lbs per inch of tire per axle, given 10 days to up paid for tags to 28000. Sent on my way. I was 9000 lbs OVER door sticker amount!
If I get pulled over today or when ever in my C2500, I would be over weight by 600 lbs, as my paid for tonnage is 8000 lbs. I could run down the road upwards of 20,000 lbs with 10,000 per axle. 500 time 10" tires times 4 or two per axle.
Manufacture brochure max payload are based on base model, no options. Rarely does it show a max minimum payload based on no to ALL option included.
So reality is, it's up to you to know laws, what you can or can not do, legally, insurance, warranty wise when you go out on the road. Also remember, if an LEO or CVEO wants you off the road, you will be off the road red tagged if unsafe in someway shape or form!

Marty