October 2015 and year sales numbers

Me Again wrote:

shum02 wrote:

Lessmore wrote:

After sale service, is more important to me than brand loyalty. When something goes wrong....and it will, no matter the make...it comes down to the service you get from the dealer and more importantly the people.

Unless I'm under warranty this doesn't matter to me. When out of warranty I turn my own wrenches on everything I own, don't head to the dealer for parts either.

Under warranty I've never really in my neck of the woods anyway heard anyone complain, to much competition to shoot yourself in the foot doing a bad job on warranty work.

You better start taking night class in automotive computers and wiring if you ever plan on buying a newer truck!

And plan on buying some expensive test equipment.

SNOKING

Exactly or get the 7 year 100K or higher factory warranty and sell before the warranty is up. That's my plan going forward.

Dadoffourgirls, etc,

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"Did you see the Q3 results from GM, Ford and FCA during October. It appears that GM is making money on sales regardless what Dodgeboy will say."

GM and Ford are making a lot of money and have a low long term debt % and also have a very bright future, unlike FCA - Ram Chrysler.

Remember who is desperately begging some other top 5 vehicle manufacturers to "merger" them into their operation ASAP? Hint: Sergio Marchionne who is only the CEO (Head) of FCA - Fiat and Chrysler Corps which is owned in, based, and controlled in Italy. "Merger" being the CODE word for purchase and take over ASAP before FCA's coming failure due to such high long term debt, documented extremely old antiquated manufacturing facilities and equiptment, massive volume of very high recall expenses ordered and active with huge fines also levied, less than a 5% yearly profit before taxes being experienced, NO money for further new vehicle design, development, or even tooling, Tanked European sales, etc. on and on! Read the WSJ and Forbes and Automotive News!

Absolutely no room for FCA discounting their vehicles to be competitive with GM and Ford as their profit margin is so putrid already and is unsustainable. To make it even worse, the new UAW contract is going wipeout the miserablly low 5% profit margin that manufacturer now has so they will have to raise their vehicle prices even more and make them even less competitive or operate in the red until the closure!

This thread was started for information purposes only for up to date truck sales numbers. Perhaps, someone would please inform Dodgeboy so he too can understand how business actually works! Profit and being competitive is a must or the doors will close!

Both Ford (F-series)and GM (Silverado/Sierra) each sell about 2 trucks for every 1 FCA sells and thay means it's the Big 2 and the taildragger like always! That doesn't even include the GM Colorado and Canyon which adds additional insult to injury!

shum02 wrote:

Lessmore wrote:

After sale service, is more important to me than brand loyalty. When something goes wrong....and it will, no matter the make...it comes down to the service you get from the dealer and more importantly the people.

Unless I'm under warranty this doesn't matter to me. When out of warranty I turn my own wrenches on everything I own, don't head to the dealer for parts either.

Under warranty I've never really in my neck of the woods anyway heard anyone complain, to much competition to shoot yourself in the foot doing a bad job on warranty work.

You better start taking night class in automotive computers and wiring if you ever plan on buying a newer truck!

And plan on buying some expensive test equipment.

SNOKING

45Ricochet wrote:
...I think Ram did outsell Chevy for a month or two. It was a bad year for GM, great year for Ram. Either way I'm no fan boy like some on this site :B See I hate the NFL Rams when they play the Seahawks, when the Rams play the Cardinals I'm all goat cheerleader.

Yes, in March 2014, the RAM did outsell the Chevrolet Silverado by 287 trucks.

The only month in automotive history.

hone eagle wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
I prefer to look at numbers this way, IS the TOTAL vehicle sold more than last year? if so great! If not, then we are in another potential depression/recession. The total sold between brands is ALWAYS moving about, depending upon who has what discounts, wants to get rid of inventory, who's is newest design, motor out etc.

Yeah I have been driving GM's for 35+ years, no frods or dogdes, If ALL three manufactures are down in sales, that has been a bad sign! one or the other up or down some, overall total is up, that is a GOOD sign!

Marty

To this I would add, was profit made on all those sales ,or were they given away?
Price them low enough and look like a hero ........this year.

Did you see the Q3 results from GM, Ford and FCA during October. It appears that GM is making money on sales regardless what Dodgeboy will say.

Now if GM would drop that 2.8 duramax in the Silverado and sierra !!! they would sell even more !

Lessmore wrote:

After sale service, is more important to me than brand loyalty. When something goes wrong....and it will, no matter the make...it comes down to the service you get from the dealer and more importantly the people.

Unless I'm under warranty this doesn't matter to me. When out of warranty I turn my own wrenches on everything I own, don't head to the dealer for parts either.

Under warranty I've never really in my neck of the woods anyway heard anyone complain, to much competition to shoot yourself in the foot doing a bad job on warranty work.

I've generally stuck with one make for quite a few years and vehicles. The main reason is that the dealer has been fair to me, IMO. Primarily though it's a particular service writer I've used for about 30 years. He's knowledgeable, honest and his advice is excellent.

When he retires...I'll be looking at other makes.

After sale service, is more important to me than brand loyalty. When something goes wrong....and it will, no matter the make...it comes down to the service you get from the dealer and more importantly the people.

hone eagle wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
I prefer to look at numbers this way, IS the TOTAL vehicle sold more than last year? if so great! If not, then we are in another potential depression/recession. The total sold between brands is ALWAYS moving about, depending upon who has what discounts, wants to get rid of inventory, who's is newest design, motor out etc.

Yeah I have been driving GM's for 35+ years, no frods or dogdes, If ALL three manufactures are down in sales, that has been a bad sign! one or the other up or down some, overall total is up, that is a GOOD sign!

Marty

To this I would add, was profit made on all those sales ,or were they given away?
Price them low enough and look like a hero ........this year.

yep look up the rebates on Ford , GM/Chevy and Ram and see who had to give up to $10,000 to sell their trucks and who gave $6,000 on HD and $2000 on their 1500 and get back to me Nutz.

BTW I'm still working seven days a week with 12 hour days if I want them, I don't. So someone must be buying our vehicles. Selling the most does not mean your the best, McDonald's out sells Wendy's but I would take a Wendy's burger over a D's any day of the week. Pass that pop corn this way would ya LOL

Don

ksss wrote:

IdaD wrote:

lawnspecialties wrote:
I am really pleased with both my F350s. I have no vested interest in any of the big three automakers.

Therefore, I couldn't care less about those numbers.

I'm with you - I find automotive brand loyalty baffling. No one brand is ever going to have the best model on the market in a particular class on an ongoing basis. Depending on model cycles brands are going to pull ahead and fall behind as advancements are made. Why anybody would buy one brand for loyalty reasons and snub a better vehicle is beyond me.

The term "better vehicle" is subjective, especially with the current pickup offerings. I run GM trucks, always have. My business identity is a part of that along with the type of heavy equipment I tend to buy. I don't bounce around from OEM to OEM. I establish a relationship with the dealer or dealers and stay there unless I have a compelling reason to change (poor performance or service from the OEM or dealer). I appreciate loyalty from my customers and I return the favor when I am in the customer role.

Better vehicle is a mix of subjective factors, but there's some objectivity to it as well. Of course some of the objective stuff is also dependent on a subjective opinion of whether it's important or not. For example a Cummins is objectively slower than a Powerstroke or Duramax. Subjectively I found that to really unimportant relative to other factors I was considering, though.

I get dealer loyalty, especially in a smaller community. But to me, especially in a larger community (I'm in Boise), I'm going to go out and evaluate every vehicle in whatever class I'm shopping and buy the one that I think suits my needs the best. I could care less about the brand, foreign or domestic.