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1320Fastback wrote:
This truck, like many, is simply for CAFE fleet standards and aimed at commuters who go to home depot on the weekends for a plant.
We can try to make the point about the CAFE standards, but people just want to believe that the baby diesels are being produced for towing.Hammerboy wrote:
I know I said this before but what is the purpose of this truck with a small diesel engine? Who is the target consumer? Fuel economy? Not when diesel cost more and not to mention maintenance costs more. Less capable and more expensive than Eco boost, I'm assuming less payload too.
Not being sarcastic but who are the manufacturers aiming for with these small diesels?
Dan
There is a market for them. I see more and more RAM Ecodiesels every year. They're pulling trailers and boats to boot. So someone's buying them and probably enjoying high mileage, especially on the highway.N-Trouble wrote:
Hammerboy wrote:
I know I said this before but what is the purpose of this truck with a small diesel engine? Who is the target consumer? Fuel economy? Not when diesel cost more and not to mention maintenance costs more. Less capable and more expensive than Eco boost, I'm assuming less payload too.
Not being sarcastic but who are the manufacturers aiming for with these small diesels?
Dan
Im with ya... Only guess is consumers who have been brainwashed into thinking they are “saving money” by buying a diesel.
Manufacturers have been reluctant to produce these because they probably understand how useless they really are. They have basically caved to continued consumer pressure to produce these.
Or maybe, the baby diesels that were going to be released 10+ years ago but got shelved due to the economy and the wonderful new EPA emissions regs just aren’t as worlds apart on fuel mileage from equivalent gassers like they were back then.
I agree the fuel mileage gap is closing some between gas and diesel. Until you hook something on the back of it anyway.- http://amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/new-cars/21396/2018-ford-f-150-diesel-truck-review-how-does-850-miles-of-range-on-a-tank-sound?source=dam
33 mpg almost all highway cruise control at 62. Same ish as a tuned 3.55 geared ED would do in that scenario. Likely the same ish as a tuned 2.8 diesel Colorado. Great time to be a truck owner if you need great fuel economy for commuting and great towing economy for moderate IE 1/2 ton appropriate loads. Won't be fast like a gasser or super strong like the big diesels but it might be just right for you.
Now pricing and what models are available in the Ford will have to get better and I bet it does.
It is a nitch market vehicle not a main streamer. It won't replace anything in the line up only round it out so to speak. Both Ram and Ford say 5 to 10 percent of their half ton sales.
Beh beats me I've tried several ways to get the link to work. Its been re-posted on two other forums and worked fine. N-Trouble wrote:
Hammerboy wrote:
I know I said this before but what is the purpose of this truck with a small diesel engine? Who is the target consumer? Fuel economy? Not when diesel cost more and not to mention maintenance costs more. Less capable and more expensive than Eco boost, I'm assuming less payload too.
Not being sarcastic but who are the manufacturers aiming for with these small diesels?
Dan
Im with ya... Only guess is consumers who have been brainwashed into thinking they are “saving money” by buying a diesel.
Manufacturers have been reluctant to produce these because they probably understand how useless they really are. They have basically caved to continued consumer pressure to produce these.
Based on the numbers put out from this particular truck and its initial price, I cannot defend it to those who say to buy the ecoboost. If your set on Ford and those two are your only options, I’d agree buy the EB over that diesel. It didn’t perform how a lot of people hoped it would.
Those who cannot see the market for non HD diesels are somewhat uninformed that their truck needs are the same as everyone else. There are those out there that hunt, fish, haul wood, do whatever with a truck, tow a nice size boat and/or medium sized TT and most importantly for this market - put on some miles. There is a market. How big? I don’t know, but I’m in it and happy there is the option.Hammerboy wrote:
I know I said this before but what is the purpose of this truck with a small diesel engine? Who is the target consumer? Fuel economy? Not when diesel cost more and not to mention maintenance costs more. Less capable and more expensive than Eco boost, I'm assuming less payload too.
Not being sarcastic but who are the manufacturers aiming for with these small diesels?
Dan
Im with ya... Only guess is consumers who have been brainwashed into thinking they are “saving money” by buying a diesel.
Manufacturers have been reluctant to produce these because they probably understand how useless they really are. They have basically caved to continued consumer pressure to produce these.Maury82 wrote:
Hammerboy wrote:
I know I said this before but what is the purpose of this truck with a small diesel engine? Who is the target consumer? Fuel economy? Not when diesel cost more and not to mention maintenance costs more. Less capable and more expensive than Eco boost, I'm assuming less payload too.
Not being sarcastic but who are the manufacturers aiming for with these small diesels?
Dan
All of my friends have trucks and don't pull anything, and the most they haul is a lawn mower, mulch, and nothing heavier than what a typical middle age man can lift.
Most have no clue about gearing, payload, and few actually have hitches. They like sitting high, easier to climb in, and extra room for bulging bellies.
One bought a brand new 2017 F150 limited because it has massage seats, and when I ask about what rear end he got, he said "5 1/2 ft bed", I just chuckled.
A diesel engine F-150 would be perfect for them.
When looking for my truck I contacted a guy about an F350 cclb drw listed on a Craigslist add, I asked about what rear end the truck had, he said “the factory one”Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Oh BTW where are all those clowns that told me Ford and GM will never build a small diesel! You know back when I said with in four years both will be following FCA?Ram with their own offering? Where you boys at? I can't what to see GM's offering, IMO they got it right going with a in-line six and their ten speed! Why to go GM!
Don
You may want to consult with your big boss since it was him that recently said diesel is dead and will be phased out.Hammerboy wrote:
I know I said this before but what is the purpose of this truck with a small diesel engine? Who is the target consumer? Fuel economy? Not when diesel cost more and not to mention maintenance costs more. Less capable and more expensive than Eco boost, I'm assuming less payload too.
Not being sarcastic but who are the manufacturers aiming for with these small diesels?
Dan
All of my friends have trucks and don't pull anything, and the most they haul is a lawn mower, mulch, and nothing heavier than what a typical middle age man can lift.
Most have no clue about gearing, payload, and few actually have hitches. They like sitting high, easier to climb in, and extra room for bulging bellies.
One bought a brand new 2017 F150 limited because it has massage seats, and when I ask about what rear end he got, he said "5 1/2 ft bed", I just chuckled.
A diesel engine F-150 would be perfect for them.Ductape wrote:
My takeaway from that was buy the Ecoboost.
Same here.
