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brushwood
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May 20, 2016

Battery and cahrger replacement advice

Let me preface this by saying I'm pretty new to this so I'm still learning how the electrical system in my travel trailer works.
I recently bought a 2004 Gulfstream Amerilite BHL travel trailer. My wife and I are taking four months off starting in July to travel around the western US. We'll be spending the majority of our time in camp sites that do not have electrical hook ups. We'll probably spend 6 days out of the week without hook ups and 1 day per week somewhere with shore power, city water, etc. so we can take real showers, find a laundromat, etc.
We've taken the trailer out camping to try it out and see if there is anything we need to fix before hitting the road for good. At the moment, it has a Napa 8240 marine battery http://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/NBE8240/. The reserve capacity of that battery is 120 which, if what I've read is correct, is roughly equivalent to 70 amp hours. We'll be spending our days hiking and probably won't be staying up very late with the lights on. I am mainly concerned with being able to run the water pump and the furnace fan. We won't need to run the heat a lot but we'll be at pretty high altitudes at times so it can get pretty cold even though it's Summer and Fall. We could probably do OK with 70 AH but I want to upgrade. I went to Costco today and took a look at the golf cart batteries they sell for $84. Two of those would give me 208 AH. They also have a marine battery (which I know is not a true deep cycle battery) with a reserve capacity of 160. I found a forum post where someone claiming to work for interstate says those batteries are 120 amp hours, which seems like a high estimate to me. Based on the rule of thumb conversion (which I know is not precise), it should be more like 100 amp hours. I am leaning towards getting the golf cart batteries but I'd be interested in the opinion of someone more experienced than myself.

Regardless of what direction I go with the batteries, I really need to upgrade the converter/charger to have any chance of keeping the batteries charged. I have a Honda eu2000i generator that we'll bring with us. The travel trailer currently has an Elixir ELX-45 converter/charger. I was thinking of replacing it with the WFCO (WF8945PEC) http://www.amazon.com/WFCO-WF8945PEC-WF-8900-Converter-Charger/dp/B00K8D9HJ4. It looks like it should be a pretty straightforward replacement. Any opinions on it? Should I be looking at anything else?

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  • time2roll's avatar
    time2roll
    Nomad
    May 25, 2016
    Dang it, sorry. I had in my mind you were replacing a WFCO.

    Elixir Elx-45 I don't know much about. Maybe you do want to replace the entire panel. I would still be inclined to just mount the new converter behind and pull wire in.

    Of course PD makes a panel such as PD4045 & PD4060 that may work.
    But then you need to match the full opening, cut it larger, or add trim to make smaller.

    bestconverter.com/4000-Series-Compact-Power-Center
  • brushwood's avatar
    brushwood
    Explorer
    May 25, 2016
    smkettner wrote:
    9245 probably will not fit the WFCO slot. This might be why Randy recommended something else. Although perfectly fine to mount behind the power center if you have space. 9260 is shaped with a lower profile and should fit the slot. 4645 & 4655 are designed to fit in the WFCO slot.


    The dimensions on the 9245 that I found are 8.25"L X 7.25"W X 4.5"H and the compartment in my trailer is 12"L x 5.25"W x 5"H. The 9600 is 9" W but not as tall. It doesn't look like either one would fit.
  • time2roll's avatar
    time2roll
    Nomad
    May 25, 2016
    9245 probably will not fit the WFCO slot. This might be why Randy recommended something else. Although perfectly fine to mount behind the power center if you have space. 9260 is shaped with a lower profile and should fit the slot. 4645 & 4655 are designed to fit in the WFCO slot.
  • brushwood's avatar
    brushwood
    Explorer
    May 25, 2016
    smkettner wrote:
    You bought the whole power center? That will be a bit of work.

    Consider an exchange for PD or IOTA.

    BPC4-60 at Best Converter


    Yeah. That's what Randy suggested. I told him I was looking at the Progressive Dynamics PD 9245C but he steered me toward the Boondocker BPC4-60. Now I am having second thoughts. I'll see if I can cancel the order.
  • westend's avatar
    westend
    Explorer
    May 25, 2016
    I've read various posts from owner's of the Boondocker converters (BFL13 where are you when we need you?) and the Mfg seems to be introducing new things to their lineup at sometimes. It may be possible that any past poor performance has been dealt with with an upgrade from the factory.

    I would suggest that the best way to find out what the converter is doing is to keep it monitored with a meter and have a reference point for the batteries at full charge.

    I was advised to charge my new pair to full a few times and then measure the electrolyte with a hydrometer. That develops a reference base line for battery health.
  • brushwood's avatar
    brushwood
    Explorer
    May 25, 2016
    smkettner wrote:
    Do not let Randy talk you into a Boondocker converter.
    These drop out of boost too soon at just 70% to 75% charged.

    PD and IOTA are the way to go.


    Hmmm ... I just got off the phone with Randy and ordered a Boondocker bpc4-60. I must have missed this post but oh well. The Boondocker will at least be better than the single stage charger I have now.
  • time2roll's avatar
    time2roll
    Nomad
    May 21, 2016
    Do not let Randy talk you into a Boondocker converter.
    These drop out of boost too soon at just 70% to 75% charged.

    PD and IOTA are the way to go.
  • doughere's avatar
    doughere
    Explorer
    May 20, 2016
    We do similar camping. We have 2 GC's and a PD 9260 converter mounted in the compartment next to the battery. Converter to battery cables are automotive battery cables. We have 220 watts of solar, and a Honda 2K gen.

    If your converter is not next to the battery bank, size your wiring from converter to battery for less than .2 Volts at the current the converter you are going to get. Keeping the voltage drop down to that might require some big wire. I mounted the converter in a compartment next to the battery, and ran 115 line from the circuit breaker panel to the converter. With the converter mounted correctly, I don't think a separate charger is any better.

    The heater can be your biggest user. Digital stat can cut down usage a little, down comforter and turning stat down are the trick. Your other plans sound like you're on the right track.

    I'd certainly recommend solar; we very seldom have to use the gen (unusually cold weather using heater and no sun for awhile)

    Good Luck,
    Doug
  • Chandalen's avatar
    Chandalen
    Explorer
    May 20, 2016
    SO confused... I cant post the full reply.. get an error... but if i separate it..

    Make sure to check the voltages needed for charging and maintaining and find a converter/charger that can be approx close to those numbers.

    Buy a digital thermostat and replace the dial type you likely have. These are more temp accurate and the furnace will not run as long. As mentioned above, a good down blanket and setting the T stat to 55ish will save a lot of LP and battery juice.

    If you are running the Genny for just battery charge, buy a stand alone charger, and use that instead of the campers converter.

    Change your lights to LED, the standard RV bulbs use about .3 amps each, LED is about 0.03 each.

    Lastly, have you thought of adding Solar? With my rig, we never need to run a genny (unless we need AC).

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I recently bought a 2004 Gulfstream Amerilite BHL travel trailer. My wife and I are taking four months off starting in July to travel around the western US. We'll be spending the majority of our time in camp sites that do not have electrical hook ups. We'll probably spend 6 days out of the week without hook ups and 1 day per week somewhere with shore power, city water, etc. so we can take real showers, find a laundromat, etc.
We've taken the trailer out camping to try it out and see if there is anything we need to fix before hitting the road for good. At the moment, it has a Napa 8240 marine battery http://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/NBE8240/. The reserve capacity of that battery is 120 which, if what I've read is correct, is roughly equivalent to 70 amp hours. We'll be spending our days hiking and probably won't be staying up very late with the lights on. I am mainly concerned with being able to run the water pump and the furnace fan. We won't need to run the heat a lot but we'll be at pretty high altitudes at times so it can get pretty cold even though it's Summer and Fall. We could probably do OK with 70 AH but I want to upgrade. I went to Costco today and took a look at the golf cart batteries they sell for $84. Two of those would give me 208 AH. They also have a marine battery (which I know is not a true deep cycle battery) with a reserve capacity of 160. I found a forum post where someone claiming to work for interstate says those batteries are 120 amp hours, which seems like a high estimate to me. Based on the rule of thumb conversion (which I know is not precise), it should be more like 100 amp hours. I am leaning towards getting the golf cart batteries but I'd be interested in the opinion of someone more experienced than myself.

Regardless of what direction I go with the batteries, I really need to upgrade the converter/charger to have any chance of keeping the batteries charged. I have a Honda eu2000i generator that we'll bring with us. The travel trailer currently has an Elixir ELX-45 converter/charger. I was thinking of replacing it with the WFCO (WF8945PEC) http://www.amazon.com/WFCO-WF8945PEC-WF-8900-Converter-Charger/dp/B00K8D9HJ4. It looks like it should be a pretty straightforward replacement. Any opinions on it? Should I be looking at anything else?","body@stringLength":"2478","rawBody":"Let me preface this by saying I'm pretty new to this so I'm still learning how the electrical system in my travel trailer works.
I recently bought a 2004 Gulfstream Amerilite BHL travel trailer. My wife and I are taking four months off starting in July to travel around the western US. We'll be spending the majority of our time in camp sites that do not have electrical hook ups. We'll probably spend 6 days out of the week without hook ups and 1 day per week somewhere with shore power, city water, etc. so we can take real showers, find a laundromat, etc.
We've taken the trailer out camping to try it out and see if there is anything we need to fix before hitting the road for good. At the moment, it has a Napa 8240 marine battery http://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/NBE8240/. The reserve capacity of that battery is 120 which, if what I've read is correct, is roughly equivalent to 70 amp hours. We'll be spending our days hiking and probably won't be staying up very late with the lights on. I am mainly concerned with being able to run the water pump and the furnace fan. We won't need to run the heat a lot but we'll be at pretty high altitudes at times so it can get pretty cold even though it's Summer and Fall. We could probably do OK with 70 AH but I want to upgrade. I went to Costco today and took a look at the golf cart batteries they sell for $84. Two of those would give me 208 AH. They also have a marine battery (which I know is not a true deep cycle battery) with a reserve capacity of 160. I found a forum post where someone claiming to work for interstate says those batteries are 120 amp hours, which seems like a high estimate to me. Based on the rule of thumb conversion (which I know is not precise), it should be more like 100 amp hours. I am leaning towards getting the golf cart batteries but I'd be interested in the opinion of someone more experienced than myself.

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Battery and cahrger replacement advice","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284264"},"body":"Dang it, sorry. I had in my mind you were replacing a WFCO.

Elixir Elx-45 I don't know much about. Maybe you do want to replace the entire panel. I would still be inclined to just mount the new converter behind and pull wire in.

Of course PD makes a panel such as PD4045 & PD4060 that may work.
But then you need to match the full opening, cut it larger, or add trim to make smaller.

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smkettner wrote:
9245 probably will not fit the WFCO slot. This might be why Randy recommended something else. Although perfectly fine to mount behind the power center if you have space. 9260 is shaped with a lower profile and should fit the slot. 4645 & 4655 are designed to fit in the WFCO slot.


The dimensions on the 9245 that I found are 8.25\"L X 7.25\"W X 4.5\"H and the compartment in my trailer is 12\"L x 5.25\"W x 5\"H. The 9600 is 9\" W but not as tall. It doesn't look like either one would fit.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-05-25T12:04:41.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-05-25T12:04:41.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":723},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:2284246/message:2284263","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284262":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2284262","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2284262":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:108257"},"id":"message:2284262","revisionNum":1,"uid":2284262,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2284246"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2284246"},"subject":"Re: Battery and cahrger replacement advice","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284262"},"body":"9245 probably will not fit the WFCO slot. This might be why Randy recommended something else. Although perfectly fine to mount behind the power center if you have space. 9260 is shaped with a lower profile and should fit the slot. 4645 & 4655 are designed to fit in the WFCO slot.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-05-25T10:28:08.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-05-25T10:28:08.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":724},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:2284246/message:2284262","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284261":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2284261","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2284261":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:359701"},"id":"message:2284261","revisionNum":1,"uid":2284261,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2284246"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2284246"},"subject":"Re: Battery and cahrger replacement advice","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284261"},"body":"
smkettner wrote:
You bought the whole power center? That will be a bit of work.

Consider an exchange for PD or IOTA.

BPC4-60 at Best Converter


Yeah. That's what Randy suggested. I told him I was looking at the Progressive Dynamics PD 9245C but he steered me toward the Boondocker BPC4-60. Now I am having second thoughts. I'll see if I can cancel the order.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-05-24T20:16:43.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-05-24T20:16:43.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":724},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:2284246/message:2284261","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284260":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2284260","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2284260":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:108257"},"id":"message:2284260","revisionNum":1,"uid":2284260,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2284246"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2284246"},"subject":"Re: Battery and cahrger replacement advice","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284260"},"body":"You bought the whole power center? That will be a bit of work.

Consider an exchange for PD or IOTA.

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I would suggest that the best way to find out what the converter is doing is to keep it monitored with a meter and have a reference point for the batteries at full charge.

I was advised to charge my new pair to full a few times and then measure the electrolyte with a hydrometer. That develops a reference base line for battery health.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-05-24T19:43:47.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-05-24T19:43:47.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":722},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:2284246/message:2284259","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284258":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2284258","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2284258":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:359701"},"id":"message:2284258","revisionNum":1,"uid":2284258,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2284246"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2284246"},"subject":"Re: Battery and cahrger replacement advice","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284258"},"body":"
smkettner wrote:
Do not let Randy talk you into a Boondocker converter.
These drop out of boost too soon at just 70% to 75% charged.

PD and IOTA are the way to go.


Hmmm ... I just got off the phone with Randy and ordered a Boondocker bpc4-60. I must have missed this post but oh well. The Boondocker will at least be better than the single stage charger I have now.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-05-24T18:31:28.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-05-24T18:31:28.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":722},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:2284246/message:2284258","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284257":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2284257","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2284257":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:108257"},"id":"message:2284257","revisionNum":1,"uid":2284257,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2284246"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2284246"},"subject":"Re: Battery and cahrger replacement advice","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284257"},"body":"Do not let Randy talk you into a Boondocker converter.
These drop out of boost too soon at just 70% to 75% charged.

PD and IOTA are the way to go.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"150","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-05-20T18:27:56.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-05-20T18:27:56.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":722},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:2284246/message:2284257","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:272143":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:272143","uid":272143,"login":"doughere","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-10-27T12:25:36.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:272143"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284256":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2284256","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2284256":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:272143"},"id":"message:2284256","revisionNum":1,"uid":2284256,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2284246"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2284246"},"subject":"Re: Battery and cahrger replacement advice","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2284256"},"body":"We do similar camping. We have 2 GC's and a PD 9260 converter mounted in the compartment next to the battery. Converter to battery cables are automotive battery cables. We have 220 watts of solar, and a Honda 2K gen.

If your converter is not next to the battery bank, size your wiring from converter to battery for less than .2 Volts at the current the converter you are going to get. Keeping the voltage drop down to that might require some big wire. I mounted the converter in a compartment next to the battery, and ran 115 line from the circuit breaker panel to the converter. With the converter mounted correctly, I don't think a separate charger is any better.

The heater can be your biggest user. Digital stat can cut down usage a little, down comforter and turning stat down are the trick. Your other plans sound like you're on the right track.

I'd certainly recommend solar; we very seldom have to use the gen (unusually cold weather using heater and no sun for awhile)

Good Luck,
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Make sure to check the voltages needed for charging and maintaining and find a converter/charger that can be approx close to those numbers.

Buy a digital thermostat and replace the dial type you likely have. These are more temp accurate and the furnace will not run as long. As mentioned above, a good down blanket and setting the T stat to 55ish will save a lot of LP and battery juice.

If you are running the Genny for just battery charge, buy a stand alone charger, and use that instead of the campers converter.

Change your lights to LED, the standard RV bulbs use about .3 amps each, LED is about 0.03 each.

Lastly, have you thought of adding Solar? With my rig, we never need to run a genny (unless we need 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