Nissan Cummins matchup

Still say/think either call all Pickups/SUVs 'half ton' and go by their GVWR
or just go directly to GVWR in reference

But, the herd is mainly 'half ton' folks who insist on that even though they
are into higher class required trailers

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
I have been saying this for a while now, Chrysler feels, right or wrong that buyers of 1/2 ton trucks are for the most part not going to tow big trailers with them. The want a truck that gets good fuel economy, can pick up things from Lowe's or Home Depot a few times a year and looks good.

I hope they are right. If they price the diesel option reasonably, I'm in. Hopefully they won't force me to get a bunch of worthless fluff options in order to get a diesel.

coolbreeze01 wrote:
I've driven some V-8 diesels that were fun. But they had over 700 cubic inches, twin turbos, and plenty of power........

X-2 , but the one I drove had 1150 cubic inches of Cat and 30,000# of draw bar pulling power. It weighed 80k+.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Yes I know they had looked at it and gave it a pass, why Fiat owns us and builds diesels. Why would you pay someone to build something you already build yourself.

I have been saying this for a while now, Chrysler feels, right or wrong that buyers of 1/2 ton trucks are for the most part not going to tow big trailers with them. The want a truck that gets good fuel economy, can pick up things from Lowe's or Home Depot a few times a year and looks good.

Ram again right or wrong delegates heavy RV towing to the HD line up, 2500 and up. With the new air suspension system we have addressed the ride issues with the 2500 and 3500 trucks. So they decided to put the little 3.0 VM as some have called it, into the 1500 and are hoping that a pickup making 30+ MPG will fly off the lots. I bet they are right!

Don

And Nissan has to find some Titan buyers first! :W :W :W

I agree with you. I think that a full size pickup that gets 30+ miles per American gallon would do well in the market.

If the small diesel is reliable, has good HP and torque, reasonable cost replacement parts/ servicing costs and is durable...it would be what a lot of people would like.

For quite awhile now I've wondered why we in the US and Canada don't have the percentage of small diesels suitable for cars and light trucks, as they have in Europe.

Perhaps things are changing with the advent of the Chevy Cruze turbo diesel car and the Dodge 1500 pickup. Hoping to see more domestic cars with turbo diesel availability.

I've driven some V-8 diesels that were fun. But they had over 700 cubic inches, twin turbos, and plenty of power........

Yes I know they had looked at it and gave it a pass, why Fiat owns us and builds diesels. Why would you pay someone to build something you already build yourself.

I have been saying this for a while now, Chrysler feels, right or wrong that buyers of 1/2 ton trucks are for the most part not going to tow big trailers with them. The want a truck that gets good fuel economy, can pick up things from Lowe's or Home Depot a few times a year and looks good.

Ram again right or wrong delegates heavy RV towing to the HD line up, 2500 and up. With the new air suspension system we have addressed the ride issues with the 2500 and 3500 trucks. So they decided to put the little 3.0 VM as some have called it, into the 1500 and are hoping that a pickup making 30+ MPG will fly off the lots. I bet they are right!

Don

And Nissan has to find some Titan buyers first! :W :W :W

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Or it could be that Cummins had it ready to go and Nissan only had to plug and play? Why go through all the R&D, EPA testing and God knows what else when you can buy a top notch engine off the self ready to bolt in.

And as it was noted in the other thread, the fact that Fred Diaz was let go by Chrysler and then picked up by Nissan. What better way to get a jab in.

Dodge and Cummins have had a long and great relationship, even with Damn-Lire backing out of that same engine for the Ram back in 07. But then they ended up paying for the design and testing work. So my bet is Nissan got a great deal on that engine, good, no great for them!

Don

According to this, Ram didn't want the engine. Nissan needed one and is going for it.

From Pickuptrukcs.com "Additionally, when asked about the recent Nissan announcement regarding the use of a 5.0-liter V-8 Cummins turbo-diesel (coincidentally made by his former boss), Hegbloom responded that Ram had looked at that engine, but it didn't seem to do what its buyers were looking for: "From all our indications, buyers wanted an engine that performed like a V-8 but gave fuel-economy numbers like a V-6 … our EcoDiesel 3.0-liter V-6 does that." As you might imagine, Cummins has had this engine for a while had not been able to get any of the truck makers interested."

I guess Nissan buyers want something different.

Or it could be that Cummins had it ready to go and Nissan only had to plug and play? Why go through all the R&D, EPA testing and God knows what else when you can buy a top notch engine off the self ready to bolt in.

And as it was noted in the other thread, the fact that Fred Diaz was let go by Chrysler and then picked up by Nissan. What better way to get a jab in.

Dodge and Cummins have had a long and great relationship, even with Damn-Lire backing out of that same engine for the Ram back in 07. But then they ended up paying for the design and testing work. So my bet is Nissan got a great deal on that engine, good, no great for them!

Don

rjstractor wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Nissan using an American diesel and not building their own?

Who knows? Marketing? Availability? Why did Dodge use Cummins when they started putting diesels in pickups back in 1989 instead of developing their own? Why is Ram using an Italian diesel in their 1500 instead of an American developed diesel?

Simple - it's cheaper than building a factory and Cummins had the right product at the right price. Remember the first couple of years, the engines were NA's - not turboed.

The same VM engine that goes into EU Grand Cherokees is going into the 1500. It's lighter weight than the 4BT Cummins and because they had already had them in the 05 Patriots most of the mechanics had experience with them. But on that account there are no VM shops here, like Cummins shops.

Proof that their strategic marketing decision is working !

Just read the emotional and OPINIONATED responses in this thread...

Would the emotions be as high if Nissan announced their own diesel? Or a Ford
diesel? Or a Isuzu diesel? Or a GM Duramax? or anyother brand?

Would it have cost much less or more using those others vs Cummins ?

Think not...Cummins has a VERY wide and large following and BRAND ID
world wide and not just light duty trucks

Pure marketing for both Nissan and Cummins...now wonder what Dodge will do...

Betcha there are backroom deals/conditions between those three OEMs
that allows, disallows, etc on all three...