FCA Receives Certification for EcoDiesel

RobertRyan wrote:

Do when the thread is not going ypur way. You decide it irrelevant? Although the consequences to FCA would be disasterous. Seeing a certain not well liked German Company is making the accusations about FCA. Maybe they want to buybit back at fire sale prices like Nissan did Mitsubishi?

Here is the link that the OP posted for the discussion. Announcement

Where in that article do you see them talking about European emissions standards or any other diesel made for sale outside North America? Nowhere.

You are just posting to get the last word and I am having fun not letting you. I can keep this up for years due to how stubborn I am and how much fun it is.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Well the Fiat engines plural including Gas engines.including the VMotori will be have to pass EU tests, if they do not they will face draconian fines.Fiat may have missed EPA fines over the VM Motori but is likely to be caught out by the EU
FCA could be crippled if these fines happen.

Nope, go back an read the announcement link that was posted. It says nothing about the EU or any other country's version of the 3.0L engine. It specifically states FCA US, not FCA EU, FCA Australia, or any other FCA entity outside FCA North America. Even the fact that US diesel emission regulations are more stric than the EU regulations is not a part of the topic here so move on with your passive aggressive anti-US rhetoric...... or we can continue this circle jerk until they close this thread or one of us gets banned from this site.

Do when the thread is not going ypur way. You decide it irrelevant? Although the consequences to FCA would be disasterous. Seeing a certain not well liked German Company is making the accusations about FCA. Maybe they want to buybit back at fire sale prices like Nissan did Mitsubishi?
Strange you have a paranoid view of anything outside the US, including Canada
You really avoid answering directquestions.
Asking you anything is like trying to nail fried egg on a wall
As far as I am concerned that is that. Good bye

RobertRyan wrote:

Well the Fiat engines plural including Gas engines.including the VMotori will be have to pass EU tests, if they do not they will face draconian fines.Fiat may have missed EPA fines over the VM Motori but is likely to be caught out by the EU
FCA could be crippled if these fines happen.

Nope, go back an read the announcement link that was posted. It says nothing about the EU or any other country's version of the 3.0L engine. It specifically states FCA US, not FCA EU, FCA Australia, or any other FCA entity outside FCA North America. Even the fact that US diesel emission regulations are more stric than the EU regulations is not a part of the topic here so move on with your passive aggressive anti-US rhetoric...... or we can continue this circle jerk until they close this thread or one of us gets banned from this site.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

The topic was not about Euro 6 . It is about the VMotori Engine and FCA escaping
Escaping fines for perceived emission breaches. Well it might have escaped the EPA but it looks like FCA may have to pay fines over several engines, not just diesels to tbe EU. We wait how this will pan out .Penalties will be as severe as the the EPA ones

No, the topic is about the US Ecodiesel being EPA certified for sale in the US again. It has nothing to do with Europe, Australia, or the rest of the world especially since the 3.0L engine was never banned in those countries partially due to their less strict NOx requirements( I added the higher CO2, twice the CO level and sub micron sizel of the particulates of US Tier2 diesels).

Well the Fiat engines plural including Gas engines.including the VMotori will be have to pass EU tests, if they do not they will face draconian fines.Fiat may have missed EPA fines over the VM Motori but is likely to be caught out by the EU
FCA could be crippled if these fines happen.

RobertRyan wrote:

The topic was not about Euro 6 . It is about the VMotori Engine and FCA escaping
Escaping fines for perceived emission breaches. Well it might have escaped the EPA but it looks like FCA may have to pay fines over several engines, not just diesels to tbe EU. We wait how this will pan out .Penalties will be as severe as the the EPA ones

No, the topic is about the US Ecodiesel being EPA certified for sale in the US again. It has nothing to do with Europe, Australia, or the rest of the world especially since the 3.0L engine was never banned in those countries partially due to their less strict NOx requirements.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Yes you know nothing about diesels.

LOL! Coming from a person who posts more fake info than CNN. What are you up to now? Four or five false statements in this thread alone?

RobertRyan wrote:
A. Small increase in NOx does not have a huge effect on power. Bit different if you run run considerable N0x into the engine, then the Oxygen is separated by the heat.

A small increase in NOx will allow for a slight increase in peak power just like the slight increase the Euro 3.0L Ecodiesel has over the US 3.0L that has to adhere to a slighlty stricter NOx requirement just like the graphs that I posted earlier showed.

RobertRyan wrote:
Still the issue is and it is a major one will FCA be fined by the EU? Not exactly small fines either PACCAR had to pay $1billion just for price fixing
PACCAR fined $1billion by EU

This has nothing to do with the topic or the fact that Euro 6 has a less strict NOx requirement than the US regulations.

The topic was not about Euro 6 . It is about the VMotori Engine and FCA escaping
Escaping fines for perceived emission breaches. Well it might have escaped the EPA but it looks like FCA may have to pay fines over several engines, not just diesels to tbe EU. We wait how this will pan out .Penalties will be as severe as the the EPA ones

RobertRyan wrote:

Yes you know nothing about diesels.

LOL! Coming from a person who posts more fake info than CNN. What are you up to now? Four or five false statements in this thread alone?

RobertRyan wrote:
A. Small increase in NOx does not have a huge effect on power. Bit different if you run run considerable N0x into the engine, then the Oxygen is separated by the heat.

A small increase in NOx will allow for a slight increase in peak power just like the slight increase the Euro 3.0L Ecodiesel has over the US 3.0L that has to adhere to a slighlty stricter NOx requirement just like the graphs that I posted earlier showed.

RobertRyan wrote:
Still the issue is and it is a major one will FCA be fined by the EU? Not exactly small fines either PACCAR had to pay $1billion just for price fixing
PACCAR fined $1billion by EU

This has nothing to do with the topic or the fact that Euro 6 has a less strict NOx requirement than the US regulations.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Simple if they misssed being fined by the EPA the EU issues equally draconian fines. Power absolutely nothing to do with higher or lower NOx.it is how the same engine is configured to meet the regulatory regime.

Power absolutely nothing to do with higher or lower NOx? Huh!?! This is completely false! Lol, and you said I know nothing about diesels.

Diesels create A LOT of NOx due to their compression ignition which creates high combustion temps. When combustion temps reach 2,500F or more, NOx is being created and is also when the engine is running most efficiently. To lower NOx output, the EGR recirculates cooled exhaust gases to lower combustion temps which also lowers the peak performance and the efficiency of the diesel engine. This is why engines under less strict NOx emissions like the Euro 6 are able to make more power versus stricter NOx requirements like the US EPA regulations.

This is changing with the addition of better SCR technology since most NOx reduction will be after the engine and you no longer have to lower NOx in engine which decreases power and efficiency.

Class dismissed!

Yes you know nothing about diesels. A. Small increase in NOx does not have a huge effect on power. Bit different if you run run considerable N0x into the engine, then the Oxygen is separated by the heat.
Still the issue is and it is a major one will FCA be fined by the EU?
Not exactly small fines either PACCAR had to pay $1billion just for price fixing
PACCAR fined $1billion by EU

RobertRyan wrote:

Simple if they misssed being fined by the EPA the EU issues equally draconian fines. Power absolutely nothing to do with higher or lower NOx.it is how the same engine is configured to meet the regulatory regime.

Power absolutely nothing to do with higher or lower NOx? Huh!?! This is completely false! Lol, and you said I know nothing about diesels.

Diesels create A LOT of NOx due to their compression ignition which creates high combustion temps. When combustion temps reach 2,500F or more, NOx is being created and is also when the engine is running most efficiently. To lower NOx output, the EGR recirculates cooled exhaust gases to lower combustion temps which also lowers the peak performance and the efficiency of the diesel engine. This is why engines under less strict NOx emissions like the Euro 6 are able to make more power versus stricter NOx requirements like the US EPA regulations.

This is changing with the addition of better SCR technology since most NOx reduction will be after the engine and you no longer have to lower NOx in engine which decreases peak power and efficiency.

Class dismissed!

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:
Looks like the EU is not on the same wavelength as the EPA. They have a lot of doubts about the FCAEmissions prob into Jeep in the EU

What does that have to do with the 3.0L being restricted by the EPA? Those vehicles have the 1.4L, 1.6L, and 2.0L. The 3.0L found in the European Grand Cherokee is also slightly more powerful than the US version due to the lower Euro 6 NOx restriction.

Simple if they misssed being fined by the EPA the EU issues equally draconian fines. Power absolutely nothing to do with higher or lower NOx.it is how the same engine is configured to meet the regulatory regime.