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itguy08 wrote:
Just curious why everyone is gushing over this truck? You already have a 1/2 ton with a proven, good powertrain, just as much (or more) payload, etc. It's the F150 with the EB 3.5. The GM trucks are similar but without the flat torque curve of a turbocharged engine.
Sure Diesel is "cool" but the additional cost for fuel, maintenance and engine premium makes little sense in the short/long run.
But it is an interesting vehicle for sure.
It's also funny how someone mentions hauling a 10k RV with an F150 that's properly equipped, the responses are "NO WAY, YOU NEED 3/4 or 1 Ton". But you can't wait to pull that with this Nissan!
No one is cutting on the Ford:h...it's all about having a choice...now we have one more...and if you think that the tranny that they're going to put in the Nissan is just a 'good tranny".....unless I'm missing something, it's the same medium duty tranny that is in my 1 ton dually Cummins with 385HP, 850lbft of TQ, a GVWR of 14,000# and a GCWR of 37,500#...so the tranny is an actual, true, medium duty tranny like the Allison in the GM/Chevy trucks...
Also, if you read the link....the Nissan truck is getting the frame from a 3/4 ton-1 ton Van, so it's not "exactly" what one would call a 1/2 ton truck
I can wait on it...it won't fit my bill, but it's nice to know that there is someone out there that got this Cummins diesel, strapped it to a heck of a transmission, tossing it all on a 3/4 1 ton van frame and it'll do more than a 1/2 ton and probably a little less than a 3/4 ton...but with all that, it's appearing closer to a 3/4 ton than a 1/2 ton pick up....
Cut some slack...let poor little Nissan get a little "piece of the action"...they'll NEVER cut into Fords sales, so you'll be ok:)sh410 wrote:
Is a V-8 diesel new for Cummins?
Don't know....the 6.7 Cummins in the Ram's is just a little old 6 banger:)- Is a V-8 diesel new for Cummins?
- It will be interesting to see where this goes - will it be the Unicorn that the F150's with Max Tow and HD are or will it be another regular offering from Nissan?
I just find it funny that with an unknown people are OK with pushing its limits but with the known they are "no way, I'd do it" or "upgrade". That's all.
Diesel or Cummins don't excite me. Turbos do as they are the only reason Diesels are exciting and fun to drive. Pop one on a gas engine and the playing field is leveled. itguy08 wrote:
It's also funny how someone mentions hauling a 10k RV with an F150 that's properly equipped, the responses are "NO WAY, YOU NEED 3/4 or 1 Ton". But you can't wait to pull that with this Nissan!
It's all about the numbers...if a trailer is too much for a truck people usually point it out. I'm sure it'll be the same for this new truck. And I'm sure there will still be people that pull 15,000 lb 5th wheels with the Nissan and come here looking for validation.
If the numbers hold the Titan XD will be a good addition to the market place. Having the Cummins/Aasin combo with a 2000 lb payload and 12,000 lb tow rating is definitely better than most 1/2 trucks (F150 HD being the exception). I hope the market segment pans out for them. If so we will see similar offerings from the other truck makers. The Titan XD sounds like a great fit for most travel trailers and "1/2 ton" 5th wheels.
The drivetrain on the Titan XD certainly excites me.- Just curious why everyone is gushing over this truck? You already have a 1/2 ton with a proven, good powertrain, just as much (or more) payload, etc. It's the F150 with the EB 3.5. The GM trucks are similar but without the flat torque curve of a turbocharged engine.
Sure Diesel is "cool" but the additional cost for fuel, maintenance and engine premium makes little sense in the short/long run.
But it is an interesting vehicle for sure.
It's also funny how someone mentions hauling a 10k RV with an F150 that's properly equipped, the responses are "NO WAY, YOU NEED 3/4 or 1 Ton". But you can't wait to pull that with this Nissan! Bionic Man wrote:
Will they have EPA mpg numbers in that segment?
Do they show mpg for the Ram ecodiesel? I don't know...This Cummins is a "bigger" diesel than the one in the Ram.....I've not seen EPA mpg numbers on 2500's......hey, maybe they'll "ballpark' for the new Nissan 2000HD:)- Will they have EPA mpg numbers in that segment?
otrfun wrote:
spoon059 wrote:
I explained why. You probably missed my explanation because you're looking at the Nissan Cummins from the perspective from someone who needs/wants a 3/4 ton. For you a 3/4 ton offers the best value, the most useful truck. This is NOT the market segment that Nissan wants to sell this truck to. Nissan has made it clear they have no intention of competing directly with the 3/4 ton market segment, or the 1/2 ton segment, for that matter. Not everything is black and white (i.e., power and price). The Nissan Cummins is being marketed towards a "grey" market segment that wants a little 3/4 in their 1/2--lol!otrfun wrote:
But what is going to get a 3/4 ton buyer to be willing to buy a new competitor with a less powerful engine? You need to have a price point that people are willing to pay for a new product. Otherwise, I might as well buy the Ram 2500 with a bigger engine that is proven and has better capabilities and more power for the same price.
Rather doubt that. You're assuming a truck that has less HP/torque or tow capacity is less of a truck and should be priced accordingly. The person who buys the Nissan Cummins does so because they don't need or want the "overhead" of a big-bore diesel. For these customers (i.e., a specific market segment), the Nissan Cummins is a "more useful" truck, even if it cost the same, or slightly more than a big-bore diesel.
Case-in-point. Check out the pricing on new 1/2 tons. The best selling 1/2 tons have MSRP's easily equivalent to many big-bore diesels. Why would anyone buy these popular 1/2 tons when they can buy a big-bore diesel instead?
Agree....I think it's going to be a "little more truck" than your 150/1500 and "not quiet" a 250/2500 truck...THOUGH, going with the Cummins and the AS69RC Aisin medium duty tranny, (unless there IS some difference that I'm not aware of....it would be the only ....oh, let's see..... we'll go with a 200/2000 badged truck for now :).....With a 3/4-1 ton Van frame, a Cummins diesel (that size), and a medium duty tranny.... the only "unknown" is what weight rating the rear axle will carry....HECK.....sounds like...the new Nissan "2000", may "foot the bill" for a lot of "in between" customers:Bspoon059 wrote:
I explained why. You probably missed my explanation because you're looking at the Nissan Cummins from the perspective from someone who needs/wants a 3/4 ton. For you a 3/4 ton offers the best value, the most useful truck. This is NOT the market segment that Nissan wants to sell this truck to. Nissan has made it clear they have no intention of competing directly with the 3/4 ton market segment, or the 1/2 ton segment, for that matter. Not everything is black and white (i.e., power and price). The Nissan Cummins is being marketed towards a "grey" market segment that wants a little 3/4 in their 1/2--lol!otrfun wrote:
But what is going to get a 3/4 ton buyer to be willing to buy a new competitor with a less powerful engine? You need to have a price point that people are willing to pay for a new product. Otherwise, I might as well buy the Ram 2500 with a bigger engine that is proven and has better capabilities and more power for the same price.
Rather doubt that. You're assuming a truck that has less HP/torque or tow capacity is less of a truck and should be priced accordingly. The person who buys the Nissan Cummins does so because they don't need or want the "overhead" of a big-bore diesel. For these customers (i.e., a specific market segment), the Nissan Cummins is a "more useful" truck, even if it cost the same, or slightly more than a big-bore diesel.
Case-in-point. Check out the pricing on new 1/2 tons. The best selling 1/2 tons have MSRP's easily equivalent to many big-bore diesels. Why would anyone buy these popular 1/2 tons when they can buy a big-bore diesel instead?
