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- Way back when, we looked at 1/2 tons, and there were a some things about the Titan that I liked even more than the Ram 1500 - some of the interior features and that little glove door on the outside. In my experience, Nissan has some good reliability too.
I've been very interested to see how this does for them. I'm with NC Hauler on this one. It may be a winner.
ETA - if they came out with a 3500 DRW with a Cummins and Aisin, it would certainly be worth considering as long as the other components were sufficient. spoon059 wrote:
otrfun wrote:
Rather doubt that. You're assuming a truck that has less HP/torque or tow capacity is less of a truck and should be priced accordingly. The person who buys the Nissan Cummins does so because they don't need or want the "overhead" of a big-bore diesel. For these customers (i.e., a specific market segment), the Nissan Cummins is a "more useful" truck, even if it cost the same, or slightly more than a big-bore diesel.
Case-in-point. Check out the pricing on new 1/2 tons. The best selling 1/2 tons have MSRP's easily equivalent to many big-bore diesels. Why would anyone buy these popular 1/2 tons when they can buy a big-bore diesel instead?
But what is going to get a 3/4 ton buyer to be willing to buy a new competitor with a less powerful engine? You need to have a price point that people are willing to pay for a new product. Otherwise, I might as well buy the Ram 2500 with a bigger engine that is proven and has better capabilities and more power for the same price.
Fuel economy perhaps but we will have to wait and see what the truck itself is like. There may be other reasons to buy it than the engine.otrfun wrote:
Rather doubt that. You're assuming a truck that has less HP/torque or tow capacity is less of a truck and should be priced accordingly. The person who buys the Nissan Cummins does so because they don't need or want the "overhead" of a big-bore diesel. For these customers (i.e., a specific market segment), the Nissan Cummins is a "more useful" truck, even if it cost the same, or slightly more than a big-bore diesel.
Case-in-point. Check out the pricing on new 1/2 tons. The best selling 1/2 tons have MSRP's easily equivalent to many big-bore diesels. Why would anyone buy these popular 1/2 tons when they can buy a big-bore diesel instead?
But what is going to get a 3/4 ton buyer to be willing to buy a new competitor with a less powerful engine? You need to have a price point that people are willing to pay for a new product. Otherwise, I might as well buy the Ram 2500 with a bigger engine that is proven and has better capabilities and more power for the same price.brulaz wrote:
Expected release: Late 2015
Payload >= 2000#
Tow Capacity >= 12,000#
Frame is modified from the NV2500-3500 vans.
10.5" Rear End
Aisin 6spd tranny that looks almost identical to the one in the RAM 3500 Cummins. Motor Trend gives it the same model number.
Coupled with the Cummins engine, this is going to be a tough drive train.
Probably the best review I've read is Motor Trends:
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2015/1505_2016_nissan_titan_xd/
If payload is 2,000#, and they can tow a 12,000# 5er, you're now talking 2400# of pin weight, less the people, less the hitch, fuel, etc....BUT sounds like beefed up frame and if rear axle has decent weight rating..should be ok, but wonder why so little payload if going with a modified frame from a 3/4/1 ton van?
ON EDIT: Great write up AND I read this:
The Cummins is hooked to a heavy-duty Aisin AS69RC six-speed automatic (similar to the one used behind the high-output version of the Cummins 6.7L).
I don't see how it can be "similar to"....looks to me like it's the same tranny if I'm going by the AS69RC....that is a medium duty transmission and weighs 160# more than the 68RFE auto that Chrysler also offers with the 6.7 Cummins.
Sounds to me like they got a big winner here...- Dupe
- Expected release: Late 2015
Payload >= 2000#
Tow Capacity >= 12,000#
Frame is modified from the NV2500-3500 vans.
10.5" Rear End
Aisin 6spd tranny that looks almost identical to the one in the RAM 3500 Cummins. Motor Trend gives it the same model number.
Coupled with the Cummins engine, this is going to be a tough drive train.
Probably the best review I've read is Motor Trends:
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2015/1505_2016_nissan_titan_xd/ wilber1 wrote:
rjstractor wrote:
I can't remember the exact specs, but I think the payload rating for the XD model was in the 2200 lb range on the crew cab long bed version, with a tow rating of 12000. GVWR was just under 8500 IIRC. All those numbers are within a few hundred pounds of my dad's 2000 F250 7.3 Powerstroke to put that into perspective. But with the capabilities of today's 2500/3500 pickups the Nissan is going to need to be significantly lower in price than the big boys to compete.
The diesel is going to be several hundred pounds heavier than th existing V8 so they will have to up the GVWR accordingly.
Only if suspension and rear axle can handle a higher GVWR.....The RAWR is more important. But with the weight of the diesel, the payload numbers can drop....but again, it'll depend on the frame and suspension under the Nissan with the Cummins.rjstractor wrote:
I can't remember the exact specs, but I think the payload rating for the XD model was in the 2200 lb range on the crew cab long bed version, with a tow rating of 12000. GVWR was just under 8500 IIRC. All those numbers are within a few hundred pounds of my dad's 2000 F250 7.3 Powerstroke to put that into perspective. But with the capabilities of today's 2500/3500 pickups the Nissan is going to need to be significantly lower in price than the big boys to compete.
The diesel is going to be several hundred pounds heavier than th existing V8 so they will have to up the GVWR accordingly.- I can't remember the exact specs, but I think the payload rating for the XD model was in the 2200 lb range on the crew cab long bed version, with a tow rating of 12000. GVWR was just under 8500 IIRC. All those numbers are within a few hundred pounds of my dad's 2000 F250 7.3 Powerstroke to put that into perspective. But with the capabilities of today's 2500/3500 pickups the Nissan is going to need to be significantly lower in price than the big boys to compete.
jtallon wrote:
. . . Assuming they can price it appropriately. They've got to undercut the Duramax/Ram Cummins/Powerstroke 3/4 tons at least a little, or they're in trouble.rjstractor wrote:
Rather doubt that. You're assuming a truck that has less HP/torque or tow capacity is less of a truck and should be priced accordingly. The person who buys the Nissan Cummins does so because they don't need or want the "overhead" of a big-bore diesel. For these customers (i.e., a specific market segment), the Nissan Cummins is a "more useful" truck, even if it cost the same, or slightly more than a big-bore diesel.
. . . with the capabilities of today's 2500/3500 pickups the Nissan is going to need to be significantly lower in price than the big boys to compete.
Case-in-point. Check out the pricing on new 1/2 tons. The best selling 1/2 tons have MSRP's easily equivalent to many big-bore diesels. Why would anyone buy these popular 1/2 tons when they can buy a big-bore diesel instead?
