Question About Ford 6.0 Diesel

ib516 wrote:
Hey, quit throwing the truth at the folks with their heads in the sand! :)

The vast majority of us have our heads well out of it............

While it may be true that this engine accounted for a great deal of warranty expense I can't for the life of me see why what was probably Ford's most expensive/complex production engine at the time being used/abused in the most extreme environment's on the planet wouldn't have some of the largest cost associated with it. I didn't really expect Ford's 4.6L Triton in the Lincoln's and F150's to be leading the pack............did you?

The lawsuit is settled and nothing broke on my truck in six years 135000 warranty..........is that good luck or bad luck........Oh well we'll see what the next 270000kms has in store for me - more tires and brake work I'm sure......

You can't neglect the servicing on the 6.0. The High Pressure Injector Pump pressurizes engine oil to 3000 psi. Any breakdown in the oil due to contamination will damage the system and result in costly repairs. All diesels need clean fuel to operate correctly, so change the filters at the proper interval. The coolant in the 6.0 is used to cool the exhaust gases in the EGR and are exposed to temperatures of over 1000 degrees. If you use the wrong coolant it crystalizes and clogs the EGR cooler, Oil Cooler, and radiator.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

Rosebud wrote:
I have a 2005 6.0, and love it. Just returned from 15,000 roundtrip to Alaska. Pulling a SunnyBrook 31 BWFS and no problems except with the brakes on the 5th wheel. Truck preformed just fine. I did replace the EGR cooler and oil cooler at 95,000 miles. I think this truck is one of the best I have ever owned. Love driving it.
It is true that the market is depressed on the 6.0 powered trucks but they can be a good deal. Regular maintance is a must, use Motorcraft filters and Synthetic oil, (I use Rotella T-6). Change coolant regularly and enjoy your ride

Bill

By 2005 Ford/Navistar had made updates to the engine and the Failure rate was much lower. The Billion dollars, were for the many crate engines used to replace the early 6.0's, 2003 and early 2004. We had some friends that had an engine replacement on theirs.

Ford's Barb Samardzich and Colin Horba disagrees with you.

Here is what Ford top dogs said:

As late as June 22, 2007- six months after Ford stopped mass production of the 6.0-Ford’s Vice President for Powertrain Product Development, Barb Samardzich, referred to the “continued poor performance of the 6.0L (i.e., worse than our WFA assumptions). “IQ Colin Horba, Manager of the North American Diesel Quarterback Department, reported to Ms. Samardzich at the July 2007 PDQR that the “warranty spend” on the 6.0L was $11 million greater than anticipated for the most recent four –month tracking period, despite the fact that “no new failure modes had been identified through claims analysis.” Rather, Mr. Horbal reported that the “increased spend is driven by more claims, not an increase in cost per claim.”

Bob Fascetti, Ford’s Director of Diesel Engineering, Attested to the following: Ford has experienced unprecedented repair rates with the 6.0L engines. The 6.0L has had the largest R/1000 (repairs per thousand) rate ever experienced by Ford for an engine in widespread production. In fact, the 6.0L which represents only 10% of Ford’s total engine volume, accounts for approximately 80% of all Ford’s warranty spending on engines. Additionally, warranty spending on the 6.0L accounts for approximately 25% of Ford’s overall warranty spending.”

Bob pretty much said it all right there. :E

Link to. quotes

Hey, quit throwing the truth at the folks with their heads in the sand! :)

W4RLR wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

T&P, you might want to read your own link!
The 6.0 was replaced in 2008 with the 6.4, which had fewer issues, but was a fuel hog.

The 6.0 and 6.4 are based on the same basic design, but is a slightly larger displacement. It also had many emissions related changes. Ford and Navistar did work to improve the 6.4, but it was a fuel hog.

This would be like saying the Cummins 5.9 and 6.7 are the same engine. Yes based on the same basic design, but many changes for emissions.

Gesus, I get home from work and see this mess. :S

Here, let me quote it for you:

The 6.0L Power Stroke was used in Ford Super Duty trucks until the 2007 model year but lasted until 2009 in Ford Econoline vans (Model year 2010).

Now, see where the 6.0 lasted until the 2010 year model exactly like I said it did? :R

Oh brother...the 6.0 engines on the E-series vans were derated and did not have near the problems experienced by the pickups, which had different tuning. The last 6.0 in a pickup was in the 2007 model year. By 2005, most of the problems with the 6.0 were resolved. The ONLY reason that the 6.0 was replaced with the 6.4 was due to EPA emission standards that the 6.0 couldn't meet. Ford got an exemption for the E-series vans as the 6.4 wouldn't fit in the van. When the 6.7 engine came out and wouldn't fit, Ford no longer offered a diesel in the E-series. You CAN get a five cylinder PowerStroke in the new Transit van, the first Ford van with a diesel in several years.

You're a Ram guy, aren't you Turtle?

Exactly. according to Ford's own engineer, Ford went over s spec on the cylinder pressures of their 6.0 pickup engines. The van engines were left as Nav wanted them to be tuned and it shows big time.

As evidence of that. In June 2006 after the 6.0L had been in production for over four years (and only six months before the end of widespread production)- Ford engineer Mike Frommann emailed regarding on of the “usual suspects,” the head gasket:

Fords engineer Mike Frommann wrote:
We unfortunately exceeded our own cylinder pressure specs in normally performing engines. We don’t want to have our cylinder pressure specs published or documented by having them subpoenaed or we might face a class action. When we have a defect, we have to honor our warranty…..I recommend we all delete these emails.

You're a Ram guy, aren't you Turtle?

Sorry, not a brand fan of any particular make or model. I just call it like it is. You being on this board long enough should know that. I own a Chevy and a Dodge and race several Fords.

Unlike some on this board I don't recommend junk. I would not recommend an LB7 unless the injectors were replace with factory ones because the first gen injectors from Bosch were junk and very expensive to replace.

Controversy, I do recommend Fords V10 and 7.3 diesel. Great engines and last forever.

As far as people saying that they have x amount of miles on their 6.0 and have no problems.............it means nothing. Nothing at all. I have several 5.7 diesel and they never gave me any problems. It does not change the fact they are junk and always will be junk. Fact is, their junk.

Like I said, I just call it as it is. I'm not making these remarks about the 6.0, Ford did. Does it make you mad or do you disagree with them? Go take it up with Ford because they are the ones that said it. :)

W4RLR wrote:

Yellermanx wrote:
Fear not, like everything on the net the 6.0 problems are severely overblown. That and Ford haters.

Leave it and all diesels stock like the real engineers designed them.

I second this thought. If it doesn't have a blue oval on the grille, I don't want it. I'm on my second Ford diesel, and the only reason for that is the first one was sideswiped on a mountain road and had the rear axle ripped out from under it, totaling the truck.

Considering the massive preponderance of information and experience on the 6.0L PSD, I don't see how anyone can ever say that the "problems are severely overblown". And there's nothing wrong with not leaving them stock. All vehicles are made to please the general audience. No auto manufacturer would ever be able to keep up if they made every modification that people want. This guy wants loud exhaust, this guy wants quiet exhaust...........

I'm not brand loyal at all. I have a Ford F350 7.3L and Chevy Silverado 1500, a Toyota minivan, and John Deere lawnmower (just figured I'd throw that one in). I've had a Dodge Ram 1500 w/ the 360. I'm on my 2nd Ford and 2nd Chevy. Overall, the Dodge was the worst, but looking back, I should have kept it and fixed the problems.

W4RLR wrote:

Yellermanx wrote:
Fear not, like everything on the net the 6.0 problems are severely overblown. That and Ford haters.

Leave it and all diesels stock like the real engineers designed them.

I second this thought. If it doesn't have a blue oval on the grille, I don't want it. I'm on my second Ford diesel, and the only reason for that is the first one was sideswiped on a mountain road and had the rear axle ripped out from under it, totaling the truck.

I used to think this as well. I bought a 1994 F-150 new, 1996 F-250 7.3L new, and 2003 F-350 6.0L used. I didn't have any major issues with the 6.0L on my dime but Ford replaced the head gaskets, exhaust manifold gaskets, rear main oil seal, and IPR under warranty. I also spent $3500 on "bulletproofing" to keep it reliable that included EGR delete, regulated fuel return system, turbo drain tube, upgraded FICM, and coolant filter. I absolutely loved the F-350 but it was running rough cold (I'm sure it had some injectors going bad because I had the latest inductive flash), had a leaking bedplate which constantly dripped oil on my garage floor, and I needed a bigger cab. I seriously thought about a new Ford 6.7L until I read about some serious issues that some people are having with that engine including high pressure fuel pump failures that Ford refuses to warranty. I bought the truck in my signature and could not be happier. In fact I think my wife loves the truck even more than I do.

Believe me I was a true Ford man all of my life but I guess I'm getting older and realizing that brand loyalty can really lead you down the garden path. Not trying to be disrespectful, just my 2 cents worth.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

T&P, you might want to read your own link!
The 6.0 was replaced in 2008 with the 6.4, which had fewer issues, but was a fuel hog.

The 6.0 and 6.4 are based on the same basic design, but is a slightly larger displacement. It also had many emissions related changes. Ford and Navistar did work to improve the 6.4, but it was a fuel hog.

This would be like saying the Cummins 5.9 and 6.7 are the same engine. Yes based on the same basic design, but many changes for emissions.

Gesus, I get home from work and see this mess. :S

Here, let me quote it for you:

The 6.0L Power Stroke was used in Ford Super Duty trucks until the 2007 model year but lasted until 2009 in Ford Econoline vans (Model year 2010).

Now, see where the 6.0 lasted until the 2010 year model exactly like I said it did? :R

Oh brother...the 6.0 engines on the E-series vans were derated and did not have near the problems experienced by the pickups, which had different tuning. The last 6.0 in a pickup was in the 2007 model year. By 2005, most of the problems with the 6.0 were resolved. The ONLY reason that the 6.0 was replaced with the 6.4 was due to EPA emission standards that the 6.0 couldn't meet. Ford got an exemption for the E-series vans as the 6.4 wouldn't fit in the van. When the 6.7 engine came out and wouldn't fit, Ford no longer offered a diesel in the E-series. You CAN get a five cylinder PowerStroke in the new Transit van, the first Ford van with a diesel in several years.

You're a Ram guy, aren't you Turtle?

Yellermanx wrote:
Fear not, like everything on the net the 6.0 problems are severely overblown. That and Ford haters.

Leave it and all diesels stock like the real engineers designed them.

I second this thought. If it doesn't have a blue oval on the grille, I don't want it. I'm on my second Ford diesel, and the only reason for that is the first one was sideswiped on a mountain road and had the rear axle ripped out from under it, totaling the truck.

rhagfo wrote:

Rosebud wrote:
I have a 2005 6.0, and love it. Just returned from 15,000 roundtrip to Alaska. Pulling a SunnyBrook 31 BWFS and no problems except with the brakes on the 5th wheel. Truck preformed just fine. I did replace the EGR cooler and oil cooler at 95,000 miles. I think this truck is one of the best I have ever owned. Love driving it.
It is true that the market is depressed on the 6.0 powered trucks but they can be a good deal. Regular maintance is a must, use Motorcraft filters and Synthetic oil, (I use Rotella T-6). Change coolant regularly and enjoy your ride

Bill

By 2005 Ford/Navistar had made updates to the engine and the Failure rate was much lower. The Billion dollars, were for the many crate engines used to replace the early 6.0's, 2003 and early 2004. We had some friends that had an engine replacement on theirs.

Ford's Barb Samardzich and Colin Horba disagrees with you.

Here is what Ford top dogs said:

As late as June 22, 2007- six months after Ford stopped mass production of the 6.0-Ford’s Vice President for Powertrain Product Development, Barb Samardzich, referred to the “continued poor performance of the 6.0L (i.e., worse than our WFA assumptions). “IQ Colin Horba, Manager of the North American Diesel Quarterback Department, reported to Ms. Samardzich at the July 2007 PDQR that the “warranty spend” on the 6.0L was $11 million greater than anticipated for the most recent four –month tracking period, despite the fact that “no new failure modes had been identified through claims analysis.” Rather, Mr. Horbal reported that the “increased spend is driven by more claims, not an increase in cost per claim.”

Bob Fascetti, Ford’s Director of Diesel Engineering, Attested to the following: Ford has experienced unprecedented repair rates with the 6.0L engines. The 6.0L has had the largest R/1000 (repairs per thousand) rate ever experienced by Ford for an engine in widespread production. In fact, the 6.0L which represents only 10% of Ford’s total engine volume, accounts for approximately 80% of all Ford’s warranty spending on engines. Additionally, warranty spending on the 6.0L accounts for approximately 25% of Ford’s overall warranty spending.”

Bob pretty much said it all right there. :E

Link to. quotes

T&P, you might want to read your own link!
The 6.0 was replaced in 2008 with the 6.4, which had fewer issues, but was a fuel hog.

The 6.0 and 6.4 are based on the same basic design, but is a slightly larger displacement. It also had many emissions related changes. Ford and Navistar did work to improve the 6.4, but it was a fuel hog.

This would be like saying the Cummins 5.9 and 6.7 are the same engine. Yes based on the same basic design, but many changes for emissions.

Gesus, I get home from work and see this mess. :S

Here, let me quote it for you:

The 6.0L Power Stroke was used in Ford Super Duty trucks until the 2007 model year but lasted until 2009 in Ford Econoline vans (Model year 2010).

Now, see where the 6.0 lasted until the 2010 year model exactly like I said it did? :R