DRW vs. SRW for towing fivers

Slownsy wrote:
Como on NC Haler 11 F350 with 6000lbs axles, I don't think so. As for saying one don't know that one have 10000lbs or more behind the TV well maybe one shut not pull anything. Just talk.
Frank

Ok, I think I understood some of what you said, but not sure....I have no idea what your talking about as far as an F350 having 6,000# rated axles...I have NO CLUE what rated axles an F350 has under it, and will freely admit it..show me where I posted that...don't recollect stating that, because I really don't know, unless I was trying to give an example. for math purposes of RAWR versus tire weight carrying capabilities., ie, the axle becoming the weak link if one want to tow to the capacity of their tires instead of their axle weight rating...other than that....I got no clue....you need to re-read the post, you've totally misunderstood it.

REALLY didn't understand what you were trying to say when you stated, "as for saying one don't know that one have 10000lbs or more behind the TV well maybe one shut not pull anything. Just talk." :h..

I'm saying if one is towing in the mountains, they'll know 10,000# is behind them...that's what I believe....when one starts slowing down with 10,000# towing up the side of a mountain and empty, they wouldn't slow down at all, then yes, they should know that 10,000# load they have in tow is "back there", because it's what slowed them down some when they were towing, and they didn't slow down on the same grade when not towing.......really a simple concept...?????should not pull anything????? No clue....

Como on NC Haler 11 F350 with 6000lbs axles, I don't think so. As for saying one don't know that one have 10000lbs or more behind the TV well maybe one shut not pull anything. Just talk.
Frank

The newer single wheel truck a very capable. Nevertheless there is really no debate in on stability. The wider footprint of the dually results in a more stable tow and better braking. There is simply more tire on the road.

That does not mean an SRW cannot tow a trailer within its ratings. But it does mean the duallies are rated for more payload and are more stable when towing any size trailer.
The larger footprint delivers a more stable tow. If your buying a truck to fit in your garage,park in an underground lot,or squeeze between trees a SRW maybe a better bet. But if your looking to tow a larger 12K or heavier trailer get a dually.
Yes I know the SRW are rated higher than 12K. But you will feel a noticable difference in the drivers seat when towing rigs 12K and larger.
If you want optimum towing performance DRW wins.
If you are willing to settle for something less than optimum,or are buying the truck based on criteria other than towing performance a SRW maybe adequate.

Infinityrver wrote:
Just because I like hearing everyone toting there duallies.......I must say, The F-350 axle/differential on my SRW is the same as on the Ford F350 DRW. The leaf springs are the same. Here lies the difference......Budd Rims and the hubs that the Budd rims attach to. The F-350 dually also, has 4 tires rated at 3400lbs/tire, you do the math.

Like my SRW truck, the DRW Ford truck tires can handle far more weight than what the leaf springs or axle are rated for.

I will add that I own an F-550 Ford with 19.5 tires and has a GVWR 19,500. If I had 17.5 tires on it than the GVWR would be 17,500. Again, tires make a difference.

If, I ever get pulled over and get a citation for being overloaded with my camper trailer hitched to my SRW F-350. I will then consider hitching my F-550 to my camper.

Tires make a difference IF they aren't used in excess of one's RAWR to make up for the difference...it is what it is...The math is simple, the logic, even simpler.

With the Ram, the 3500 SRW truck has 7,000# rated rear axle...The RAM 3500Dually has 9750# rated axle...again, very simplistic math, and an obvious difference.

don't much care about the ratings of a 450/4500 and up, we're talking about 1 ton SRW and 1 ton DRW trucks on this thread....

Never heard of ANYONE EVER being pulled over for towing too heavy,...a ridiculous scenario...don't recollect it being talked about on this thread....silly....

"EVERYONE touting their dually's":h..you been following the same thread everyone else has?? We were talking about a "possible" difference in stability in the towing experience between a SRW truck and a DRW truck...nothing about not being able to handle the weight, nothing about being unsafe, nothing about towing over the limits, but I guess if one has to make stuff up to post.....then have at it.....

Just because I like hearing everyone toting there duallies.......I must say, The F-350 axle/differential on my SRW is the same as on the Ford F350 DRW. The leaf springs are the same. Here lies the difference......Budd Rims and the hubs that the Budd rims attach to. The F-350 dually also, has 4 tires rated at 3400lbs/tire, you do the math.

Like my SRW truck, the DRW Ford truck tires can handle far more weight than what the leaf springs or axle are rated for.

I will add that I own an F-550 Ford with 19.5 tires and has a GVWR 19,500. If I had 17.5 tires on it than the GVWR would be 17,500. Again, tires make a difference.

If, I ever get pulled over and get a citation for being overloaded with my camper trailer hitched to my SRW F-350. I will then consider hitching my F-550 to my camper.

justme wrote:
Duallies are not needed for trailers under 16k gvw and to suggest otherwise is based on emotion. Then if one needs a dually they should consider 450 series trucks that are designed to be duallies rather than an add-on. The new 350 series SRW,with OEM suspension options, trucks are more than adequate for less the 16K gvw 5th wheels and them's the facts. Don't forget duallies are not good in parking lots, small city streets, ice/snow, most garages and off-road, so why live with those inconveniences when it not needed.

Agree with NC Hauler. Having lived in North Dakota and now South Dakota, I can assure you that none of my duallies (2003 Chevy 3500, 2006 Dodge Ram 3500 and now 2011 Ford F350) have had any real, leave me stranded or in the ditch, problems with ice or snow. One does drive for conditions, not the speed limit, which is probably best for any vehicle in less than ideal conditions.

Noting that you are a senior member, with time on this forum since 2002, then you will surely recognize my biggest complaint with this dually versus SRW debate.

And that is there are a whole slew of folks who want to get the biggest trailer they can, but at the same time the smallest tow vehicle.

So one ends up with folks who have a short bed, crew cab F-250 and they are wondering why it won't handle that Mobile Suites fifth wheel they love. Cause gee, they got a big truck, an F-250!

The big debate should not be SRW versus dually, it really should be matching the correct truck for any certain sized trailer.

If one needs a dually then, fine. If not, that is also fine. But at the least, and in the interests of safety, their truck and fiver are matched up and not overloaded.

I’ve not pulled my current camper with the DRW, but my previous camper was a 29’ Keystone and I pulled it with a 2500 w/the 6.5, and I pulled the Keystone with my DRW. There was noticeable difference between the 2500 SRW and the 3500 DRW. Without even getting to the pulling aspect, the 3500 DRW tracked better, was more stable at highway speeds, especially when being passed by trucks, and was heads above when handling switchbacks and mountain roads.

I have more truck than I need with my current camper, but I can’t see having a SRW as long as we have a camper of length and weight. My DRW is not a daily driver, and it would be a sled in ice and snow. It does fit in the garage, and I we drive it in town when we’re on the road. We did get some looks while driving in downtown Hollywood this summer, but you just go easy and really watch out for others.

This is my first DRW and I enjoy it, towing or not.

Jim

justme wrote:
Duallies are not needed for trailers under 16k gvw and to suggest otherwise is based on emotion. Then if one needs a dually they should consider 450 series trucks that are designed to be duallies rather than an add-on. The new 350 series SRW,with OEM suspension options, trucks are more than adequate for less the 16K gvw 5th wheels and them's the facts. Don't forget duallies are not good in parking lots, small city streets, ice/snow, most garages and off-road, so why live with those inconveniences when it not needed.

Wow, glad I read all this, it really educated me...thanks for the lesson. I agree with ONE thing you stated, "duallies aren't needed for 5er's under 16,000#, but I would leave that up to the one who is going to tow, they should figure out what truck they need by using some common sense and some very simple math. So my dually with a 14,000# GVWR, 37,000# GCWR, Cummins engine with Aisin tranny with 374HP and 850ftlb of TQ, all new frame and front and rear suspension with a 9750# rated rear axle is just considered by you as an "add on" truck:h Glad I got educated by your post, if I had known back in 05' that a dually is good for parking lot's, small city strees, ice/snow, most garages and off road...I would have STILL purchased one because you only got ONE right in my case, the garage bit...other than that, you're making up things to justify owning what you own or just for Trolling sake....your assessments are just that YOUR OPINON, not based on fact of driving or towing with one for years...Small streets? never had that issue, parking...also a non-issue, off road...wow, glad my truck didn't know that considering some of the hunting and fishing trips I've done WAYYYYYY off road, crossing streams and on....driving in ice/snow...well, the ice bit, unless you're towing with an Abrams tank, it's hard for just about ANY vehicle to drive in ice, (unless you have chains on)...in the snow? Grew up and drove it....experience, with common sense may have a little to do with how one drives a dually in the snow...I've done it in WV, TN, NC and VA,....all in the mountains.

inconvenience??? Maybe to you, but not to a lot of us on this forum, I'm only "putting up with" an amazing towing experience with a dually:)

Your reasoning is flawed and bias, but such is life as we know it:)

Duallies are not needed for trailers under 16k gvw and to suggest otherwise is based on emotion. Then if one needs a dually they should consider 450 series trucks that are designed to be duallies rather than an add-on. The new 350 series SRW,with OEM suspension options, trucks are more than adequate for less the 16K gvw 5th wheels and them's the facts. Don't forget duallies are not good in parking lots, small city streets, ice/snow, most garages and off-road, so why live with those inconveniences when it not needed.

Atom Ant wrote:

Us out West wrote:
Friends we run with have a 5ver similar to size and weight of ours. They recently upgraded from a SRW F-350 LB diesel to a Ram 3500 LB diesel dually and he says it's like night and day. Easier towing with stability making for a much more comfortable pull.

Says he wish he would have made the switch earlier...I've been trying to tell him...now he believes!!!

For those that want to live on the edge of safety pulling a heavy rig that is your choice.

Safe travels.

You were doing fine until you had to throw the "safety jab". There is nothing unsafe about towing with a SRW within it's designed capacity. There are those that are paranoid......and they should probably have duallies on the steering axle as well.

I've had both - and the dually does well with the current rig, but I certainly don't feel reborn :R

Agree, don't know how we're getting into the "unsafe" end of it unless the 1 ton SRW truck is grossly over weight...but that would go for any of them, 1/2, 3/4 and 1 ton Dually...yeah, if well over loaded....it would be unsafe.......As long as any of these trucks are used within the trucks specs, should be ok....


The ONLY difference I think one could talk about would be that the towing experience seems to be a "little more stable" when towing a heavy 5er with a dually versus with a SRW truck...My experience may be different than others....guess if I towed in the "flat lands", I might not think that, but I don't. I'm going up and down, up and down, driving at times, some very curvy, mountainous road....as long as the truck isn't overloaded, the ONLY difference I could allude to would be that the DRW, TO ME, SEEMS to allow one's 5er to be a little more stable tracking being the truck in mountains, curvy road driving....that's all...

Yeah, they allow more GVWR and GCWR, but if you don't need it, then don't get a dually, if, like some, you don't need a dually, but you feel, like me, that the towing experience is better, then get a dually.....sometimes I believe the "safety label" depends on whose behind the wheel and what they're driving habits are like....more so than how many wheels are on the rear axle