Is the diesel going to end up going the way of the dinosaur?

We are the pigs of the planet when it comes to fossil fuel consumers and CO2 emitters. It's the progress we have made in reducing air pollution in spite of that consumption which allows us to go outside without wearing a mask. Is that progress about to be thrown in the dumpster?

A friend of mine just got back from India, and she said they couldn't go outside in Mumbai because of the horrible pollution, and Delhi wasn't much better. She lost her voice and had to stay completely inside the hotel for a full day to get it back.

You can use those per capita statistics all you want, but when you can't go outside that's real pollution. I'll take being the "pigs of the planet" if it means I can go outside without wearing a mask.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

PIGS, well speak for your self!

Electric vehicles??? REALLY, what about the fact EVIL COAL or NaturalGas or Salmon KILLING Hydro is powering your SO-CALLED CLEEEEN Electric Vehicle!

But I guess it's ok if the pollution is created in the RED part of the country to power your "GREEN" vehicle in the BLUE parts!

Population in China has NOTHING to do with the amount of pollution it creates.

He was talking about our CO2 emissions and not the smog or air quality pollutants of vehicles that these emissions equipment are designed to reduce. We already got it straightened out.

In regards to smog and air quality pollutants that are bad for our health, we(the US) do not produce that much in comparison to other countries. However, he is correct that we do produce A LOT of CO2 green house gases per capita.

Double post

John & Angela wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Funny part is, a lot of the air pollution in the west coast and LA area was NOT from diesels or any other automotive emissions like many have thought over the years. Recent finding show that a lot of pollution comes over from China(who pollutes way more than the US) in the jet stream and the Rockies keep it in the west coast. Compound that with the vehicle emissions and you have an air pollution disaster.

California has no choice but to have a more stringent smog regulation for vehicles because it is not like they can tell China or India to quit producing so much pollution. So they had to lower it the only way they could. Unfortunately for the rest of the country who don't live in areas like California where automotive emissions to be such a problem, we also have to live with their stringent regulation because California is such a big state with a lot of vehicles sales so it would only make sense economically for vehicle makes to cater to their emissions requirements. If California had a much smaller population and did not have as big of an automotive market, then I doubt the vehicles manufacturers would have made vehicles specifically for the California emissions. Of course now all states have to abide this because federal emissions regulations now mirror California's regardless if that state has the same smog issues or not.

As far as diesels going the way of the dodo, I don't think it is happening anytime soon. Maybe in the small gas saver car market, but not in the load hauling truck market. It is not just about how much torque a diesel produces, but also when that torque is produced that also helps it move a load and put you at an rpm where you are creating enough HP to go a certain speed.

Well, yes, china produces more pollution than the US, but only because they have three and a half times the people. Per person the chinese produce less than half of what an American or Canadian does. WE ARE THE PIGS OF THE PLANET. No one is really even close. The average european home uses half the electricity we do. Distances are shorter so yah they use less fuel too.

The smog of the 70's in LA was from cars in LA. California emission standards vastly improved that. The move to electric vehicles will improve that more.

PIGS, well speak for your self!

Electric vehicles??? REALLY, what about the fact EVIL COAL or NaturalGas or Salmon KILLING Hydro is powering your SO-CALLED CLEEEEN Electric Vehicle!

But I guess it's ok if the pollution is created in the RED part of the country to power your "GREEN" vehicle in the BLUE parts!

Population in China has NOTHING to do with the amount of pollution it creates.

ShinerBock wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

You may have misunderstood my post. PER CAPITA (per person) we are the pigs of the planet. The four worst offender are Australia, The USA, Saudi Arabia and Canada in no particular order. China produces a third (per capita) of what the USA produces. India barely registers.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2.html#.WIYi8RsrI2w

Uhm.... CO2 is not smog nor an air quality pollutant. It is a greenhouse gas. Two different things.

The diesel emissions devices we are talking about here are there for air quality and smog reduction, not CO2 reduction. In fact, even the three way catalytic converter used for gas engines is designed to convert NOx(smog) into CO2 among other gases. They are there for smog and air quality for human health, not greenhouse gases. You are talking about something totally different and is another subject.

Yes you are correct. I stand corrected. Thank you.

ShinerBock wrote:
Funny part is, a lot of the air pollution in the west coast and LA area was NOT from diesels or any other automotive emissions like many have thought over the years. Recent finding show that a lot of pollution comes over from China(who pollutes way more than the US) in the jet stream and the Rockies keep it in the west coast. Compound that with the vehicle emissions and you have an air pollution disaster.
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Yes, an early solution to local air pollution was to build "superstacks" to spread it further away. Again, "dilution is the solution to pollution".

But eventually your neighbours catch on. The sulfuric acid from Sudbury, Ontario's super stack helped acidify lakes in Vermont, whereas previously it was just the local lakes around Sudbury (which are just now beginning to recover).

And the big stacks in the Ohio Valley coal fired electrical plants increase Southern Ontario's air pollution (as did our own coal plants until they were shut down).

John & Angela wrote:

You may have misunderstood my post. PER CAPITA (per person) we are the pigs of the planet. The four worst offender are Australia, The USA, Saudi Arabia and Canada in no particular order. China produces a third (per capita) of what the USA produces. India barely registers.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2.html#.WIYi8RsrI2w

Uhm.... CO2 is not smog nor an air quality pollutant. It is a greenhouse gas. Two different things.

The diesel emissions devices we are talking about here are there for air quality and smog reduction, not CO2 reduction. In fact, even the three way catalytic converter used for gas engines is designed to convert NOx(smog) into CO2 among other gases. They are there for smog and air quality for human health, not greenhouse gases. You are talking about something totally different and is another subject.

ShinerBock wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Funny part is, a lot of the air pollution in the west coast and LA area was NOT from diesels or any other automotive emissions like many have thought over the years. Recent finding show that a lot of pollution comes over from China(who pollutes way more than the US) in the jet stream and the Rockies keep it in the west coast. Compound that with the vehicle emissions and you have an air pollution disaster.

California has no choice but to have a more stringent smog regulation for vehicles because it is not like they can tell China or India to quit producing so much pollution. So they had to lower it the only way they could. Unfortunately for the rest of the country who don't live in areas like California where automotive emissions to be such a problem, we also have to live with their stringent regulation because California is such a big state with a lot of vehicles sales so it would only make sense economically for vehicle makes to cater to their emissions requirements. If California had a much smaller population and did not have as big of an automotive market, then I doubt the vehicles manufacturers would have made vehicles specifically for the California emissions. Of course now all states have to abide this because federal emissions regulations now mirror California's regardless if that state has the same smog issues or not.

As far as diesels going the way of the dodo, I don't think it is happening anytime soon. Maybe in the small gas saver car market, but not in the load hauling truck market. It is not just about how much torque a diesel produces, but also when that torque is produced that also helps it move a load and put you at an rpm where you are creating enough HP to go a certain speed.

Well, yes, china produces more pollution than the US, but only because they have three and a half times the people. Per person the chinese produce less than half of what an American or Canadian does. WE ARE THE PIGS OF THE PLANET. No one is really even close. The average european home uses half the electricity we do. Distances are shorter so yah they use less fuel too.

The smog of the 70's in LA was from cars in LA. California emission standards vastly improved that. The move to electric vehicles will improve that more.

"WE ARE THE PIGS OF THE PLANET."

When it comes to air pollution, the facts prove that incorrect. In fact, we are not even close to being the worst.

Every country has terrible air pollution, but these are the world’s worst

Real-time Air Quality Index Visual Map

You may have misunderstood my post. PER CAPITA (per person) we are the pigs of the planet. The four worst offender are Australia, The USA, Saudi Arabia and Canada in no particular order. China produces a third (per capita) of what the USA produces. India barely registers.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2.html#.WIYi8RsrI2w

John & Angela wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Funny part is, a lot of the air pollution in the west coast and LA area was NOT from diesels or any other automotive emissions like many have thought over the years. Recent finding show that a lot of pollution comes over from China(who pollutes way more than the US) in the jet stream and the Rockies keep it in the west coast. Compound that with the vehicle emissions and you have an air pollution disaster.

California has no choice but to have a more stringent smog regulation for vehicles because it is not like they can tell China or India to quit producing so much pollution. So they had to lower it the only way they could. Unfortunately for the rest of the country who don't live in areas like California where automotive emissions to be such a problem, we also have to live with their stringent regulation because California is such a big state with a lot of vehicles sales so it would only make sense economically for vehicle makes to cater to their emissions requirements. If California had a much smaller population and did not have as big of an automotive market, then I doubt the vehicles manufacturers would have made vehicles specifically for the California emissions. Of course now all states have to abide this because federal emissions regulations now mirror California's regardless if that state has the same smog issues or not.

As far as diesels going the way of the dodo, I don't think it is happening anytime soon. Maybe in the small gas saver car market, but not in the load hauling truck market. It is not just about how much torque a diesel produces, but also when that torque is produced that also helps it move a load and put you at an rpm where you are creating enough HP to go a certain speed.

Well, yes, china produces more pollution than the US, but only because they have three and a half times the people. Per person the chinese produce less than half of what an American or Canadian does. WE ARE THE PIGS OF THE PLANET. No one is really even close. The average european home uses half the electricity we do. Distances are shorter so yah they use less fuel too.

The smog of the 70's in LA was from cars in LA. California emission standards vastly improved that. The move to electric vehicles will improve that more.

"WE ARE THE PIGS OF THE PLANET."

When it comes to air pollution, the facts prove that incorrect. In fact, we are not even close to being the worst.

Every country has terrible air pollution, but these are the world’s worst

Real-time Air Quality Index Visual Map