dodge V-10

vern kelly wrote:
Well I knew someone would ask that. The 1998 Dodge truck factory brochure has the horsepower/torque graph of each engine offered that year including the V10. Those are accurate numbers based on that info.It is also found on the gear vendors website and other websites.

I'd be curious to see those links- and their math, since horsepower is a simple math function of torque and rpm. The only way to get 230 horsepower at 1000 rpm is to plug in more than 1200 ft.lbs. of torque. 400 ft./lbs at 1000 rpm is 76.16 horsepower as sure as 1+1=2.

rjstractor wrote:

vern kelly wrote:
Well I must stick up for the Dodge Boys here!

RPM Dodge 8.0 V10 Chevy 8.0 V8
1000 TQ 400 HP 230 TQ 380 HP 90
1500 TQ 440 HP 250 TQ 420 HP 115
2000 TQ 450 HP 260 TQ 425 HP 160
2500 TQ 450 HP 270 TQ 440 HP 210
3000 TQ 445 HP 285 TQ 450 HP 270
3500 TQ 440 HP 300 TQ 450 HP 340

I'm not sure where your figures came from, but the horsepower figures are highly inaccurate, especially for the Dodge V10. Horsepower is derived from torque and RPM- HP= torque x rpm /5252. So at 1000 rpm the Dodge is only producing 76 hp and the Chevy 72. To make 230 hp at 1000 rpm it takes over 1200 ft./lbs. of torque.

Even so, that Dodge engine was a towing beast. It would probably kicked the snot out of a Cummins of the same vintage, at the expense of roughly twice the fuel consumption and half the engine longevity.

Well I knew someone would ask that. The 1998 Dodge truck factory brochure has the horsepower/torque graph of each engine offered that year including the V10. Those are accurate numbers based on that info.It is also found on the gear vendors website and other websites. A beast it was, the high horsepower version lives on in the viper. I don't know how long these engines last, but I've read of well over 300000 miles. I've read the same from the Ford V10 as well. The engines will outlive the bodies and plastic on these trucks if maintained.

vern kelly wrote:
Well I must stick up for the Dodge Boys here!

RPM Dodge 8.0 V10 Chevy 8.0 V8
1000 TQ 400 HP 230 TQ 380 HP 90
1500 TQ 440 HP 250 TQ 420 HP 115
2000 TQ 450 HP 260 TQ 425 HP 160
2500 TQ 450 HP 270 TQ 440 HP 210
3000 TQ 445 HP 285 TQ 450 HP 270
3500 TQ 440 HP 300 TQ 450 HP 340

I'm not sure where your figures came from, but the horsepower figures are highly inaccurate, especially for the Dodge V10. Horsepower is derived from torque and RPM- HP= torque x rpm /5252. So at 1000 rpm the Dodge is only producing 76 hp and the Chevy 72. To make 230 hp at 1000 rpm it takes over 1200 ft./lbs. of torque.

Even so, that Dodge engine was a towing beast. It would probably kicked the snot out of a Cummins of the same vintage, at the expense of roughly twice the fuel consumption and half the engine longevity.

I think we are headed that direction with the new 6.4L hemi that is out now. If I could even consider a new truck, I think I would look real hard at the 6.4L. The new ford V-8 is quite a powerhouse also.

vern kelly wrote:

Lancekeys,

I have a 1998 Dodge with the V10. Best truck for the money in 1998. I believe the motor and trans option was only 500 dollars extra. No problems except for 1 automatic door lock is intermittent on the passenger side. Tow my 18 ft boat with my 10 foot lance camper with no problem. economical gas mileage when loaded. 8 to 9 camper and boat. That includes launching and loading/unloading the camper. 10 to 11.5 camper only.

Highly recommend if it has been taken care of. Have a reputable mechanic check it out. The torque curve on the Dodge V10 is the best out there for a gas motor. Over 400 lbs at 1500 RPM. 450 lbs at 2500 RPM. I cruze in overdrive loaded at 1600 RPM at 57 MPH. Quick downshift to drive puts you at max torque with the 3.55 rear end. Horse power is not high for such a big motor 300 at 3500 RPM, but the torque curve more than makes up for this.

I'm keeping mine!


That is impressive! I wonder how it compares to the GM 8.1L & Ford 6.8L V10 torque curves. (don't mean to hijack, just curious)


I found a graph of a stock 2003 8.1L and it shows the torque passing 400 at about 1200rpm, hitting about 430 at 2500. I'd say that's pretty comparable.

Well I must stick up for the Dodge Boys here!

RPM Dodge 8.0 V10 Chevy 8.0 V8
1000 TQ 400 HP 230 TQ 380 HP 90
1500 TQ 440 HP 250 TQ 420 HP 115
2000 TQ 450 HP 260 TQ 425 HP 160
2500 TQ 450 HP 270 TQ 440 HP 210
3000 TQ 445 HP 285 TQ 450 HP 270
3500 TQ 440 HP 300 TQ 450 HP 340

They are comparable with the Dodge having more low RPM power (much like a diesel) and the Chevy with more Mid range RPM power. The Ford 6.8 V10 is lower along all RPM ranges but is a smaller motor. The Dodge with the 3.55 rear end and the Ford get better gas mileage than the Chevy from what I've seen and experienced. Countless Class C motorhomes have the Ford two valve per cylinder V10s. My Dad routinely gets 9 to 10 MPG with his 24ft minnie winnie slide out on a 450 chassis.

I wonder if we will see any gas motors in the same league again? I hope so when I replace in 5 years.

bmanning wrote:

vern kelly wrote:
Lancekeys,

I have a 1998 Dodge with the V10. Best truck for the money in 1998. I believe the motor and trans option was only 500 dollars extra. No problems except for 1 automatic door lock is intermittent on the passenger side. Tow my 18 ft boat with my 10 foot lance camper with no problem. economical gas mileage when loaded. 8 to 9 camper and boat. That includes launching and loading/unloading the camper. 10 to 11.5 camper only.

Highly recommend if it has been taken care of. Have a reputable mechanic check it out. The torque curve on the Dodge V10 is the best out there for a gas motor. Over 400 lbs at 1500 RPM. 450 lbs at 2500 RPM. I cruze in overdrive loaded at 1600 RPM at 57 MPH. Quick downshift to drive puts you at max torque with the 3.55 rear end. Horse power is not high for such a big motor 300 at 3500 RPM, but the torque curve more than makes up for this.

I'm keeping mine!

That is impressive! I wonder how it compares to the GM 8.1L & Ford 6.8L V10 torque curves. (don't mean to hijack, just curious)

I found a graph of a stock 2003 8.1L and it shows the torque passing 400 at about 1200rpm, hitting about 430 at 2500. I'd say that's pretty comparable.

The dodge V10 8.0 has the most torque up to 3000 RPM peaking at 450 AT 2500. (mighty quiet running at 1600 RPM in OD at 57 mph with over 400 lbs of torque)The Ford V10 6.8 has 425 peaking at 3250. The Chevy 8.1 peaks at 455 at 3200. All of these are classic "big boy motors" and fun to drive with a load. I like all three and I hope they come back someday because for purchase price, towing performance, ease of maintenance, and longevity I don't think there is anything better.

I've read about brake complaints on the Dodge, but since I always downshift when slowing, I have never had a problem. In fact at 60,000 on my 98 (only use as RV) I still have the original brake pads.

Another nice thing about the Dodge vs Ford and Chevy is the Dodge of those years has more payload since it is a lighter curb weight truck. My 2500 2WD quad cab 3.55 rear end with V10 weighs 5980 empty with 8800 GVWR. This helps for truck campers and fifth wheels. Limiting factor is the tires.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I agree the brakes on the 94 thru the early 01 RAM's were poor with the rear drum brakes. I did the EGR rear disk conversion on my 98 2500 and it was an improvement.

I met another alpenlite couple and we were talking about the poor brakes and he said everybody knows the dodge needs GM brakes. No I never heard of that but he changed his 94 2500. I did read about dodge improving their brakes several years ago and not much difference in the 3 brands later.

chevman

I agree the brakes on the 94 thru the early 01 RAM's were poor with the rear drum brakes. I did the EGR rear disk conversion on my 98 2500 and it was an improvement.

I had a dodge 2500 V-10 and then a 2001 8.1 chev 3500 2wd dually. The power seemed to be similar but the trannie was better because of the 5 speed Alison. The dodge had very poor brakes and it scared me several times plus it liked the dodge garage more than my garage so at 14K miles I sold it. The brakes really did make it a poor truck but the rest of the truck wasn't so bad and the man that bought it still drives it.

chevman