โJan-08-2020 12:42 PM
โJan-10-2020 03:10 PM
Jayco-noslide wrote:
Are you all sure the sticker on the door area is specific for a 5th wheel?
โJan-10-2020 09:56 AM
โJan-09-2020 04:09 PM
laknox wrote:
Actually, the answer's on the driver's door pillar, where the weight placard is, =not= the manual. That placard is specific to =that= unit. Whatever that sticker says, is what's the payload for =that= truck. That's the numbers you need to work from.
Lyle
โJan-09-2020 10:54 AM
Jayco-noslide wrote:
I know that tow capacities can be hard to nail down in the owner's manual but that's where your answer lies. Get help from the truck dealer or manufacturer, not an RV business. Off course nailing down the actual total weight you will be towing is crucial. Find a scales or at least estimate the weight of each item; passengers, fluids, food; the whole works. Then, don't tow 100% of the rating. Allow for error; maybe stick to 80%.
โJan-09-2020 07:42 AM
โJan-09-2020 06:47 AM
RobWNY wrote:
Thanks for everyone's input so far. I'll look at 5th wheels 11000-12000LB with a Pin weight of 25% or less. I should be ok then. I'm looking forward to the Tampa show. I've been to a couple big shows up North but never one that advertises having trams to get people around if needed. It must be huge!
โJan-09-2020 06:43 AM
Coach-man wrote:laknox wrote:Coach-man wrote:
OK, a 5th wheel is not a โtrailerโ and it is not have anything to do with โhow much can my truck towโ! A couple of years ago, they had a ยฝ ton Toyota towing the space shuttle! A 5th wheel puts approximately 25% of its loaded weight on your rear axel. You understand, it is loaded weight, with water, propane, food, beverages, clothes, even batteries are not included with โpublished dry weight figuresโ. Also, note that your weight capacity on the trucks door sticker does not take into account gasoline, gear, 5th wheel hitch, and passengers! Subtract weight of passengers, (use 200 pounds each), fuel, weight of hitch from your weight capacity. Then take 25% of the published dry weight of the 5th wheel, and add propane, dual 30 gallon tanks about 120 pounds, clothes food and gear add about 1,500 pounds. Water would be a little tricky, depends on how much you plan to carry, figure 7.5 pounds per gallon, I used to travel with only 10 gallons fill when I got to the site. Also, where the tank is, if behind the rear axel it could subtract weight, in front it would add! Finally, add that all up, and 25% of that total would be in the bed of the truck, how does that add up to the โadjustedโ capacity? If that โfitsโ you should be ok, front rear axel weights can only be determined using scales, which you should do after everything is set up! Good luck, enjoy your new rig!
Last I knew, a truck's weight placard includs full fuel and a 150lb driver. I know that Jayco's cango placard includes full propane and 1 battery.
Lyle
Lyle, Not sure if they changed that! Always dry weights, for both the truck as well as the trailer! That way everything is equal. What driver weighs 150 lbs? Propane, 20 gallons, 30 gallons? 40 gallons? How many tanks ? One battery, or 2 6 volt golf cart batteries, Trailers do no ship with batteries in them, the dealer installs the batter(s)! Are you a full timer, or just a weekender with a couple of 6 packs and a ham sandwich! Way too many variables! By listing the dry weight, you can easily customize the weight by adding your actual!
โJan-09-2020 06:34 AM
RobWNY wrote:laknox wrote:RobWNY wrote:
Currently I have a Forest River Hemisphere GLX that weighs in the neighborhood of 8500LB dry and about 9500LB loaded. I do not travel with water other than a couple of gallons in the black tank to slosh around. It tows fine and my truck handles it with ease but I'm not very happy with it (poorly and cheaply built). I'm beginning to look at new 5th Wheels but I have no idea what my truck can handle and we all know how a dealer will tell you anything to make a sale. I'm not in a position to change trucks for another three years so I have to stick with the truck I have. I understand that a Dually Diesel is a preferable tow vehicle but not in the cards for me right now. As for the math, everything gets so confusing to me that I need some help. Can someone please give me an idea of the dry weight and max weight of a 5th wheel I should be looking at? Also, what else should I be paying attention to on the sticker of a new 5th wheel? I know I need to look at Pin weight but what else? I'll be adding the same amount of stuff I carry in the rig I have now so please keep that in mind too. We're going to the Tampa RV Supershow on January 16th to browse. Below are the specs of my truck. Thank you for any help you can give me.
From the manual
2017 Ram Crew Cab with 6'6" box. 6.4 Hemi with 3.73 rear end GVWR 10,800 Max Payload 4010LB GCWR 19,900 Max Trailer Weight 12,640
From the Stickers on my truck
GAWR Front 5500LB GAWR Rear 7000LB Max Payload 3900LB
My weight additions
Me 225LB Wife 130LB Spray in Bed Liner 50LB Folding Tonneau Cover 60LB 31 Gallon tank = 186LB when full. B&W Patriot 16K hitch with rails weighs about 175LB total. Then figure I'm going to be adding "Stuff", about 1000LB.
If I forgot anything let me know please and Thank you!
Does that 1,000 lbs of "stuff" go in the truck or in the trailer or split between? Seems a lot to carry in the truck alone...
Lyle
The 1000LB of stuff is mostly in the trailer. Maybe 100LB extra pounds in the truck so 900LB in the trailer
โJan-09-2020 05:33 AM
laknox wrote:Coach-man wrote:
OK, a 5th wheel is not a โtrailerโ and it is not have anything to do with โhow much can my truck towโ! A couple of years ago, they had a ยฝ ton Toyota towing the space shuttle! A 5th wheel puts approximately 25% of its loaded weight on your rear axel. You understand, it is loaded weight, with water, propane, food, beverages, clothes, even batteries are not included with โpublished dry weight figuresโ. Also, note that your weight capacity on the trucks door sticker does not take into account gasoline, gear, 5th wheel hitch, and passengers! Subtract weight of passengers, (use 200 pounds each), fuel, weight of hitch from your weight capacity. Then take 25% of the published dry weight of the 5th wheel, and add propane, dual 30 gallon tanks about 120 pounds, clothes food and gear add about 1,500 pounds. Water would be a little tricky, depends on how much you plan to carry, figure 7.5 pounds per gallon, I used to travel with only 10 gallons fill when I got to the site. Also, where the tank is, if behind the rear axel it could subtract weight, in front it would add! Finally, add that all up, and 25% of that total would be in the bed of the truck, how does that add up to the โadjustedโ capacity? If that โfitsโ you should be ok, front rear axel weights can only be determined using scales, which you should do after everything is set up! Good luck, enjoy your new rig!
Last I knew, a truck's weight placard includs full fuel and a 150lb driver. I know that Jayco's cango placard includes full propane and 1 battery.
Lyle
โJan-09-2020 04:13 AM
zcookiemonstar wrote:
Wow you made the biggest weight mistake ever. You publicly listed your wife's weight!
โJan-09-2020 04:09 AM
laknox wrote:RobWNY wrote:
Currently I have a Forest River Hemisphere GLX that weighs in the neighborhood of 8500LB dry and about 9500LB loaded. I do not travel with water other than a couple of gallons in the black tank to slosh around. It tows fine and my truck handles it with ease but I'm not very happy with it (poorly and cheaply built). I'm beginning to look at new 5th Wheels but I have no idea what my truck can handle and we all know how a dealer will tell you anything to make a sale. I'm not in a position to change trucks for another three years so I have to stick with the truck I have. I understand that a Dually Diesel is a preferable tow vehicle but not in the cards for me right now. As for the math, everything gets so confusing to me that I need some help. Can someone please give me an idea of the dry weight and max weight of a 5th wheel I should be looking at? Also, what else should I be paying attention to on the sticker of a new 5th wheel? I know I need to look at Pin weight but what else? I'll be adding the same amount of stuff I carry in the rig I have now so please keep that in mind too. We're going to the Tampa RV Supershow on January 16th to browse. Below are the specs of my truck. Thank you for any help you can give me.
From the manual
2017 Ram Crew Cab with 6'6" box. 6.4 Hemi with 3.73 rear end GVWR 10,800 Max Payload 4010LB GCWR 19,900 Max Trailer Weight 12,640
From the Stickers on my truck
GAWR Front 5500LB GAWR Rear 7000LB Max Payload 3900LB
My weight additions
Me 225LB Wife 130LB Spray in Bed Liner 50LB Folding Tonneau Cover 60LB 31 Gallon tank = 186LB when full. B&W Patriot 16K hitch with rails weighs about 175LB total. Then figure I'm going to be adding "Stuff", about 1000LB.
If I forgot anything let me know please and Thank you!
Does that 1,000 lbs of "stuff" go in the truck or in the trailer or split between? Seems a lot to carry in the truck alone...
Lyle
โJan-08-2020 09:16 PM
โJan-08-2020 07:19 PM
Coach-man wrote:
OK, a 5th wheel is not a โtrailerโ and it is not have anything to do with โhow much can my truck towโ! A couple of years ago, they had a ยฝ ton Toyota towing the space shuttle! A 5th wheel puts approximately 25% of its loaded weight on your rear axel. You understand, it is loaded weight, with water, propane, food, beverages, clothes, even batteries are not included with โpublished dry weight figuresโ. Also, note that your weight capacity on the trucks door sticker does not take into account gasoline, gear, 5th wheel hitch, and passengers! Subtract weight of passengers, (use 200 pounds each), fuel, weight of hitch from your weight capacity. Then take 25% of the published dry weight of the 5th wheel, and add propane, dual 30 gallon tanks about 120 pounds, clothes food and gear add about 1,500 pounds. Water would be a little tricky, depends on how much you plan to carry, figure 7.5 pounds per gallon, I used to travel with only 10 gallons fill when I got to the site. Also, where the tank is, if behind the rear axel it could subtract weight, in front it would add! Finally, add that all up, and 25% of that total would be in the bed of the truck, how does that add up to the โadjustedโ capacity? If that โfitsโ you should be ok, front rear axel weights can only be determined using scales, which you should do after everything is set up! Good luck, enjoy your new rig!
โJan-08-2020 07:09 PM
RobWNY wrote:
Currently I have a Forest River Hemisphere GLX that weighs in the neighborhood of 8500LB dry and about 9500LB loaded. I do not travel with water other than a couple of gallons in the black tank to slosh around. It tows fine and my truck handles it with ease but I'm not very happy with it (poorly and cheaply built). I'm beginning to look at new 5th Wheels but I have no idea what my truck can handle and we all know how a dealer will tell you anything to make a sale. I'm not in a position to change trucks for another three years so I have to stick with the truck I have. I understand that a Dually Diesel is a preferable tow vehicle but not in the cards for me right now. As for the math, everything gets so confusing to me that I need some help. Can someone please give me an idea of the dry weight and max weight of a 5th wheel I should be looking at? Also, what else should I be paying attention to on the sticker of a new 5th wheel? I know I need to look at Pin weight but what else? I'll be adding the same amount of stuff I carry in the rig I have now so please keep that in mind too. We're going to the Tampa RV Supershow on January 16th to browse. Below are the specs of my truck. Thank you for any help you can give me.
From the manual
2017 Ram Crew Cab with 6'6" box. 6.4 Hemi with 3.73 rear end GVWR 10,800 Max Payload 4010LB GCWR 19,900 Max Trailer Weight 12,640
From the Stickers on my truck
GAWR Front 5500LB GAWR Rear 7000LB Max Payload 3900LB
My weight additions
Me 225LB Wife 130LB Spray in Bed Liner 50LB Folding Tonneau Cover 60LB 31 Gallon tank = 186LB when full. B&W Patriot 16K hitch with rails weighs about 175LB total. Then figure I'm going to be adding "Stuff", about 1000LB.
If I forgot anything let me know please and Thank you!