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Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

fulltimin
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Started to look into some water damage in the kitchen of our 83 Pace Arrow. The more I looked, the more I found. I have some pics of the damage so far. Anyone interested in following a rebuild thread?
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fulltimin
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I finally removed and replaced the rest of the bolts that hold the coach frame to the frame of the chassis. Yay....!!!

That means that all 12 have now been replaced.

Here are the front 4, and 3 of them I had to tack weld the washer to the floor joist, and then the bolt head to the washer, to hold it when I tightened the nut on the bottom, from under the coach.





And here are the rear 8 that were replaced. Only had 1 of these that I had to weld fast, because I couldn't reach top and bottom at the same time.





Inching my way toward being able to replace some of the aluminum sheeting on the bottom of the floor joists. Yee....Haw....!!!
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Ok, here is a pic of one of those bolts I had to weld an angle to in order to remove it, because my arms are not 4 feet long, each.

Hey, it worked well.


If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Here is something that I haven't talked about much. This is the passenger side behind the entry door.

In this pic you can see that there are 3 green lines at the bottom. Those 3 lines indicate the wall studs that are attached to the floor framing.

To put things into perspective, at the top, the yellow line with arrows show 2 of the wall studs, and are over 5 feet apart, actually close to 5 1/2 feet.

The red lines with arrows, are showing that these studs are about 4 1/2 feet apart. So, we have about 10 feet of wall, with only 3 studs holding up the roof.





Obviously, Fleetwood deemed this to be sufficient to hold up the roof. With all due respect, the roof consisted of a few 1" x 1.5" x about 8 foot long rectangular steel, with 1/8" plywood glued on top, and a thin piece of fiberglass on top of that.

Just as with the sidewalls, the plywood was glued to 1.5" blue board rigid insulation, and then paneling glued to the inside, so that made a roof "sandwich".

Overall, there wasn't a huge amount of weight up there, so it did work.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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This final pic shows a better shot of how this joint went together. The top two pieces are the pieces being joined, and the bottom piece is the one holding them together.

They were put together by just folding and pressure to hold them. As you could see in the earlier pics, it was not a flat fold, but crimped to help hold it together.

The way they did this, allowed them to keep their 4' wide seams. They did a nice job with this.


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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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This is an end shot of one of those joints. The pic isn't very good, but the sides of the two pieces of aluminum have been folded over.

Then there is an extra piece on the bottom, also with the ends folded over.


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fulltimin
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This is a close up of the top side of one of those joints.






And here is a view of the bottom side.


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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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fulltimin
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Fleetwood used aluminum on the bottom of the flooring of this motor home. They used 4' wide sheets, and ran them crosswise under the joists.

Because it was only 4' wide, it needed to be spliced, every 4 feet. Here are some pics of how they did that.

The first pic is of a splice in the floor.


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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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fulltimin
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All you need is a piece of angle iron and a welder. Take your angle iron and weld it to the top of the bolt.

Note that the angle iron will not turn, as the nut begins to loosen on the bottom. Problem solved.

The same thing will work on wood, assuming you don't light the wood on fire with the welder. Lol. Be careful.


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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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And now, for the tip of the day.

Ever have a bolt that you needed to remove, and you need to get under the vehicle to get to the nut, and there is no one around to help hold the head on the top side?

Or maybe like mine, they were carriage bolts, and they have no head. Those can be ugly to remove with or without help.

Here is a way, to perform this duty by yourself. Certainly not the only way, but it works.

Here is a pic with the head of the carriage bolt, and the beginning of the solution. A piece of angle iron.


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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Ah, another rainy Saturday. Off to the box store for some more cutting wheels. 3 of em.

Add another $11.07 to $523.31 = 534.38.


If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Here's a picture I forgot to post. I was removing some insulation from the floor, and it was stuck very well to the aluminum sheeting underneath it.

In this pic, you can see inside the red circle, where I first jammed the screwdriver in, to help lift the insulation off of the aluminum.

The yellow circle, above the screwdriver head, shows where the glue (pink) stuck to the insulation, and where it did not (white-ish), and stuck to the aluminum under the screwdriver.

This pic is a little washed out, as I had to adjust it before posting it, as it was a little dark.

Just in case you are wondering, I have been doing my photo adjustments /manipulation with a free program called paint.net. The web address is ... https://www.getpaint.net/

It is a download for Windows, and just does a nice job, and hey, it's free. I have no affiliation with them, just a satisfied user.


If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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I'm going to talk about something here, that we men just don't do. Feelings... Oh no, not feelings! Yes, feelings.

Probably not what you think though.

I was not planning on taking out the gray or black water tank, nor the generator, and was trying to figure out how to rebuild this working around those 3 items. And then, I thought, why not. Why not indeed!

After they were removed, I looked at what I had left, and it occurred to me--- now I don't have the restrictions staring me in the face, that I have to work around, as I rebuild this thing.

I felt (feelings).....liberated!

It did change my outlook a little about what I can do to the inside of this thing. The tanks can be put back anywhere, or replaced with different size or shape, a generator can be put anywhere, etc.

I will have to watch the weight of everything I put back in, so the rig remains balanced, but that should be easier than trying to work around things that were left in place.

Then after all that, I thought - Hey - If I wanted to, I could even move the entrance door.

Yay!!!!!!!!!
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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IT'S ALL GONE!!!!!!

It's all gone........

There is nothing left inside to take off. Yay..!!!....!!!

On a bright note, I did get to replace 6 of the 12 bolts that hold the coach flooring to the chassis frame.

The yellow circles are where I put the new ones in. Yes, I took the easy way out today, and replaced ones that were easy to get to. .... Lol...



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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And finally, we add plywood, and yes, glue that to the blue board insulation, and also to the top of the 1.5" square steel tubing.

So, we have a floor, that is glued together, and then bolted to the frame, on the bottom.

That does make for a solid floor - at least for a while, and that is why they can get away with using 1/2" plywood on the floor. Eventually, from walking on it, some of the glue will loosen and then the floor gets spongy.


If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Now we add blue board insulation, and glue that to the aluminum sheeting on the bottom.


If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.