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Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

fulltimin
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Started to look into some water damage in the kitchen of our 83 Pace Arrow. The more I looked, the more I found. I have some pics of the damage so far. Anyone interested in following a rebuild thread?
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fulltimin
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Ok, moving on to what I did today.

The fiberglass only wheel well now is about complete.

In this pic, everything inside the black lines was coated today with an additional 5 layers of glass and resin. Everything outside the black lines already had the additional 5 layers of glass and resin.

About the only thing left is to trim the sides off, and then coat the bottom with something, and install. Yay!



If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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One more life lesson for the day. If you have a sander, and the bottom of the sander looks like this .......







And it does NOT look like this .......







IT DOES NOT SAND WELL! lol...
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Here's a pic of a paintbrush that I used just a little too long. The last 1/2 inch is still flexible, and the rest has hardened. After this pic was taken, I threw this one away, and started with another brush to keep going.



If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Couple of life lessons for the day.

One. If you drop a paintbrush filled with fiberglass resin that is not hard, pick it up before it hardens.







Otherwise, when you do "pry" it up after it hardens, you end up with this.....








Fortunately, this was not the floor of the motor home, this was a piece of plywood I have laying in place as a temporary step. Thank goodness.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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One more update for the spreadsheet.

The fiberglass cloth cost me an additional $73.99.

The resin was another $84.76.

That's a total of $158.75.

We can add that to our prior total of $7956.02, for a new grand total of $8114.77.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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So, after all that, I actually did some work on the one wheel well today. I worked on the one that is fiberglass only.

In this pic, is the results of that work. I added 5 layers of glass and resin, to the right and left of the black, curved lines.

You will remember, the area above and below the horizontal lines, I added 5 layers on each end the last couple of days.

The only thing that needs more glass and resin, is the area inside of the black lines.

It took me a few hours to get this done today. I did the right side first, and then the left. By the time I was done with the left side, the right side had hardened enough, that it would need to be sanded before adding the glass and resin in the center with the overlap.

So, I decided to let this cure until tomorrow, when I can finish this well, hopefully.







Hopefully, I will have enough time to finish this one and also work on the other wheel well tomorrow.

It's starting to look better. I'll be glad to finish these and move on to something else.
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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Went shopping again today.







That is a 10 pack, well actually, two 5-packs of fiberglass cloth.

AND, I bought 2 of these!







I don't think I'll need the second gallon of resin for the wheel wells, but I will need some resin later, so I just went ahead and bought the second gallon.
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fulltimin
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Here's a look at my botched, batch, of resin. Gross looking, isn't it?



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fulltimin
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This pic is of the other wheel well, which is the plywood form with fiberglass laid over top of said plywood.

This also has multiple layers of glass with resin between each layer.

Before laying the first layer of glass, I put a layer of resin down first. Then I added the first layer of glass, then resin, and so on.

That seems to help saturate both sides of the glass, and by using the paint brush, it actually seems to use less resin than with a roller.

This is also a much faster way for me to lay the glass than one layer at a time.







I did have a minor "oops" tonight. I poured some resin into my pint container, added some hardener, and proceeded to stir.

I thought I had added the same amount of hardener as I have been adding to all the others, but after stirring about 30 seconds, it started to jell, and I was unable to use any of that batch.

It just started to get hard before I could do anything. Go figure.

I am about out of resin, so I'll have to buy another gallon, as well as more glass before I can finish these wells.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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This pic is one on the opposite end of the same wheel well with another 5 layers of glass/resin, that I did tonight, just waiting to cure.



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Here is a picture of last night's layup of the multi layer fiberglass and resin layup, that has cured.

The arrows show 4 different layers of fiberglass. I cut them different lengths on purpose, and at least one of them, (possibly two), doesn't show up.

All I have to say about the multi layer layup of the glass and resin is - - - - YEEEEHAAAAAWWWW!

Wow, what a difference. The results are like night and day. Using the paint brush makes it easy to smooth out any air bubbles and wrinkles, without pulling the glass out of shape.

Once it's cured, there is now plenty of extra strength, and all the layers cure as one. Wahoo!

I think we have a winning combination here. I like it!



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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JoeH wrote:
While it's a bit late for your current project with the wheel wells, should you decide to do additional glass work, , yes you can do multi-layers at once and I also suggest you look into vacuum bagging using your shop vac -- plenty of info on line to show how to do it and the benefits vs hand laid/poured




Thanks for the info. I'll look it up.
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fulltimin
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Bruce Brown wrote:
FlexSeal is decent stuff, but, I believe you'll find it just has no UV protectent in it so it does break down eventually. Rustoleum makes a similar product that does have a UV protectant in it.

Last year I did a project and used Rustoleum PRO Spray On bed liner with excellent results. Previously I had used the regular spray on bed liner, the PRO stuff has held up much better.


The can I looked at in the Lowes store said that it does indeed have uv protection. I guess they must have changed their formula.

I suppose there are a bunch of different options available. The Flex Seal is not cheap. I think it's close to $100 a gallon.

Then again, if used for wheel wells, probably a quart would be enough.

I'll have to look at the Rustoleum Pro liner.

Thanks.
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JoeH
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While it's a bit late for your current project with the wheel wells, should you decide to do additional glass work, , yes you can do multi-layers at once and I also suggest you look into vacuum bagging using your shop vac -- plenty of info on line to show how to do it and the benefits vs hand laid/poured
Joe
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Bruce_Brown
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FlexSeal is decent stuff, but, I believe you'll find it just has no UV protectent in it so it does break down eventually. Rustoleum makes a similar product that does have a UV protectant in it.

Last year I did a project and used Rustoleum PRO Spray On bed liner with excellent results. Previously I had used the regular spray on bed liner, the PRO stuff has held up much better.
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