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Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

fulltimin
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Started to look into some water damage in the kitchen of our 83 Pace Arrow. The more I looked, the more I found. I have some pics of the damage so far. Anyone interested in following a rebuild thread?
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fulltimin
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Here is a close up, unfortunately, it is a little blurry, but the measurement is roughly 8 - 1/4". As you can see, the bottom is bowed a little bit, between 1/4" and 3/8".

As I said though, all this weight is hung in the center, is about an extra 5-6 lbs greater than what is possible with water, and the sides only bowed just a touch.

All in all, I am not worried about the sink collapsing. As I said, this is worst case scenario, and then some.







I we only fill the sink 1/2 full, that would be about 60 lbs for the entire sink, instead of 119 lbs for a sink that is 10 x 15 x 22. But again, the sink slopes from 10" deep at one corner to about 8" at the shallow end.

No, I am not worried about failure.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Here we go. 18 lbs of screws being hung in the center of the bottom of the sink.

This actually has a few things wrong with it. First of all, in this pic, all of the 18 lbs is hung directly in the middle. With water, all the weight would be spread out across the entire length of 15 inches.

That means this torture test is way above what would be possible in real life.

Secondly, there would be several coats of Por 15 on top of the inside of the sink bottom, which would add strength, and a minimum of 3 not 2 coats of Epoxy on the bottom of the sink.



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Now, before going on, let me say this. 18 lbs is waaaaayyy above what is actually possible with filling the sink with water. Why, you may ask? I am glad you did. Read on.

If we take a strip 2.5" wide by 15" long, and 10" high.

2.5 x 15 = 37.5 square inches. Multiply that by the 10" high, and we end up with 375 cubic inches. (Length x Width x Height).

We also know there are 231 cu inches in 1 gallon. 1 gallon of water weighs 8.33 lbs.

So, 375 divided by 231 = 1.6233 gallons of water. Multiply 1.6233 by 8.33 for the gallon of water and we end up with 13.522 lbs for weight of water for the 2.5" strip.

However, I am using 18 lbs or 33% more weight than what is even possible. Actually, only 1 corner is 10 inches deep. The center of the sink is only 9" deep so the actual possible weight in the center is about 12lbs. But that's okay. Let's overload it anyway.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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I also included 7 lbs of screws in a plastic container. That makes a total of 18 lbs.



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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fulltimin
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Next is to get ready to add some weight. Here we have 11 lbs of Kreg screws in a gallon paint can.



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fulltimin
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Next was to take a measurement of the distance between the bottom of the "sink", and the piece up top which will be used to lift this whole thing.

This measures just a hair shy of 8".



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fulltimin
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Here is the bottom of the "sink test", which as I said is about 2.5" by 15".



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fulltimin
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I also glued in 2 pieces, only one layer though, of the extra oak pieces I used on the bottom of the sink. That make the bottom of this "about" the same thickness as the actual sink.

I say "about" because I only have 2 layers of Epoxy instead of 3, and I did not apply any Por 15 over the oak strips.

That means I have almost a replica of a 2.5" wide strip of what the sink is.



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fulltimin
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Ok. Here are the results of the sink pattern test. I know everyone has been sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for this, or not! Lol.

Either way, here it is.

I added a second layer of Epoxy to the bottom and the outside of what would be the walls of the sink.



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Time to create a new "test" piece, since there was a question about the weight of the water in the sink, and my test procedure.

I glued together 3 pieces of plywood, which are the dimensions of the sink bottom and sides.







The corners look like this, with just Titebond glue. I will add some epoxy with fiberglass cloth just like I did with the sink, on the outside only. then I can add some weight to test the joints.






In all honesty, I don't expect a problem, but the test will give me some data to go by.
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fulltimin
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Ah yes, life is good again. Nothing like letting a machine do the work for you. This makes sanding in a corner a breeze...



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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PastorCharlie wrote:
fulltimin wrote:
Respirator... Check.







Another successful paint coat... Check.







In case you are wondering....

This week has been BS.

BS, as in Baby Sitting. What did you think it was? Lol...


Be very careful working in a tight and/or closed environment with vapors and/or dust. A flash fire only takes the flip of a wall switch or a heater cycling on and off to cause an explosion. We locally have had people killed and businesses destroyed on more than one occasion due to sanding and refinishing inside them.




I am guessing that "Smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo" are out as well? Lol.

For the younger crowd, that is a song from years ago...
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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PastorCharlie wrote:
fulltimin wrote:
Respirator... Check.







Another successful paint coat... Check.







In case you are wondering....

This week has been BS.

BS, as in Baby Sitting. What did you think it was? Lol...


Be very careful working in a tight and/or closed environment with vapors and/or dust. A flash fire only takes the flip of a wall switch or a heater cycling on and off to cause an explosion. We locally have had people killed and businesses destroyed on more than one occasion due to sanding and refinishing inside them.




Yeah, explosions are a bad thing.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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PastorCharlie wrote:
fulltimin wrote:
While I was at it, I decided to add a sanding pad and some sandpaper to the oscillating tool. They were on sale, so I figured, why not?







The weather is supposed to warm up around here this week, so I am looking forward to getting additional work done.


Use all the money you saved and buy some more goodies. LOL




Sometimes having those little extras can make a big difference when working on a project. It's better when those extras don't cost a lot.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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PastorCharlie wrote:
fulltimin wrote:
Old Islander wrote:
Good to see the respirator. I won't sweep the shop floor anymore without wearing one... Can you still smell the fiberglass resin when using it? I sometimes use lacquer in the shop and can't smell it through the respirator. I'm sure all the particles and gases we inhale into our lungs in the shop are cumulative... ๐Ÿ˜ž




Actually, very little smell comes through the mask. I wouldn't say it is 100% effective, but, it certainly is way better than not having any protection at all.

The little dust masks are mostly worthless for containing the smell of paints, fiberglass, epoxy, or Por15.

Occasionally, the filters should be changed, much like a water filter, they only last so long.


Mask are available for many different types of hazards. They are available for odors. The most popular mask on the retail market is for dust.



These are not for dust. The filters are for things like paint which carry an odor, and they do pretty well. I am not sure any of them are 100%, but these are close.

Then again, anyone with a beard will have a harder time getting them sealed around the edges, than someone with a shaved face.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.