So this is what takes in three phase power from the six black wires on the upper right side, turns it into by my measurements 124.2v @59.85HZ. It meaures the load via those two hand made looking doughnuts you see there (I think) to tell it where to run the throttle and cut off the load if necessary. There are some possibly servicable caps there, some probably for filtering of the a/c noise or smoothing voltages. Beyond that if it stops doing what it does you probably have the rest to part out unless you find another part you are willing to pay for. It does concern me that the inspection tag shows 2kw hopefull that is an indication of what they test it at and not what it is rated for!
It does seem like there are alot of these gens starting to hit the market if the bay is any indication and only difference might be the color of the case.
This is the back of the panel... nothing too exciting here, everything quick connects via keyed and non matching connectors.
Professor... Is there a difference in the claimed digitals and what honda does? Somewhere I read that they were transistor technology and more of a msw output? Just curious cause I dont know.
Tune in later for testing details and a fuel mod for hooking to an external fuel source without messing with the cap.
I am going to try to be the bigger man and do my best to ignore somebody who claimed my right to be inflamed! I had a pointed response but their right to not accept PM's has been employed, so it is in draft purgatory. This thread is monstor enough with out a bunch of bickering.
So this the generating end, alot goes on right here. I dont know what series motor this is or what it is a knock off of, maybe somebody can elaborate. Interesting that it has some of the makings and room for an electric starter but pulling that off would be a challenge, I doubt there is a ring gear in there along with no hole for it to poke thru.
Starting from the top and working in, that cone is what you turn when you pull the rope. A couple of dog ears fling out and catch the slots simple as that. Behind that is something that does alot of things, obviously moves the air, provides flywheel mass for the single to run smoothly and helping that is some big permanant magnets on the inside turning with it. Behind that is the stator and if you have ever been into the generating part of a motorcycle you can see where the idea came from, bunch of poles with windings around them. They are pretty rhobust as long as you dont overload them, that is one of the reasons why protection is required. Out of that comes six wires carrying three phase power and no brushes are necessary with this design. Very compact and efficient in comparison.
Quick epg class for those that may not know, in a conventional gen electromagnets turn on the inside so the output is contolled with a regulator making the them bigger in effect. Brushless designs do this with an induction set up. The speed must be constant depending on how many poles the generator has to get the desired alternating frequency. Inverting gens only need enough speed to keep up with the load.
Interesting input Prof... on the spl's and the patent issue!
For the record I am neither friend or foe of the open frames. They just were not a consideration for what I was looking for. I have seen one in action with a light load and was suprised at how loud it wasnt but the input from the generating police on here seem to indicate otherwise. I was looking into inverter types since I mostly dry camp and wanted something convienent, efficient and cheap for lots of uses but the icing on the cake was possibly power an a/c. Otherwise I was seriously considering a 2kw honda. I sold a coleman contractor open frame I had that paid for about half of this. I was doing some research on the inverter types when I found this site but didnt find alot on these.
So this the generating end, alot goes on right here. I dont know what series motor this is or what it is a knock off of, maybe somebody can elaborate. Interesting that it has some of the makings and room for an electric starter but pulling that off would be a challenge, I doubt there is a ring gear in there along with no hole for it to poke thru.
Starting from the top and working in, that cone is what you turn when you pull the rope. A couple of dog ears fling out and catch the slots simple as that. Behind that is something that does alot of things, obviously moves the air, provides flywheel mass for the single to run smoothly and helping that is some big permanant magnets on the inside turning with it. Behind that is the stator and if you have ever been into the generating part of a motorcycle you can see where the idea came from, bunch of poles with windings around them. They are pretty rhobust as long as you dont overload them, that is one of the reasons why protection is required. Out of that comes six wires carrying three phase power and no brushes are necessary with this design. Very compact and efficient in comparison.
Quick epg class for those that may not know, in a conventional gen electromagnets turn on the inside so the output is contolled with a regulator making the them bigger in effect. Brushless designs do this with an induction set up. The speed must be constant depending on how many poles the generator has to get the desired alternating frequency. Inverting gens only need enough speed to keep up with the load.
Interesting input Prof... on the spl's and the patent issue!
For the record I am neither friend or foe of the open frames. They just were not a consideration for what I was looking for. I have seen one in action with a light load and was suprised at how loud it wasnt but the input from the generating police on here seem to indicate otherwise. I was looking into inverter types since I mostly dry camp and wanted something convienent, efficient and cheap for lots of uses but the icing on the cake was possibly power an a/c. Otherwise I was seriously considering a 2kw honda. I sold a coleman contractor open frame I had that paid for about half of this. I was doing some research on the inverter types when I found this site but didnt find alot on these.
Some might question why somebody would go against better judgement and take something brand new like this apart?
My mom would have you believe that it started as a child from fixing things to taking apart everything in the house out of curiosity. Now sucess in them working after that came more with experience but the way she tells the stories the losses may rival the national debt. I think it is fair to weigh the things that I fixed against that tho!
Honestly I planned to at least run it for a bit first and hopefully the "if it aint broke dont fix it" mentality would take over and I would leave it alone. After all with the quality in question who would know if it ever worked to begin with or I fixed it so nobody could fix it? I fought off thoughts of "it would be better to get familliar with it now before there is gas and oil to deal with or it gets dirty" and proceeded on with getting it ready to run.
So I take off the big side cover cause I gotta at least put oil in it, oops it dont take quite that much so good thing there is a handy pipe that came with it that screws into the fill plug/dipstick to drain a little.
Note that the carb is easy to get to.. note to self to see if jets are availabe since I may use this at 8500' once a year. I didnt look to see if the air filter is servicable without taking it apart to this level, will cross that bridge when I get there.
I notice that there is a small access cover on the top, must be the spark plug. Well I should check it to get the number off of it for a spare and put some anti-seize on the threads. Besides I am curious to see if they test ran it and there is evidence that they did.
So you are probably thinking you have a good idea of why I tore it apart in that I just couldnt help myself but I am telling ya it just aint so!
Now I dont know if this was subconsious or not, the fact that I have a habbit of always starting plugs by hand may suggest otherwise. Well I should have used the tool provided cause it slipped down to where big magnets live and fight you for it. Well it cant stay in there so I had to go in... At least thats what I told my wife as she found me in the garage with my new prize in several pieces. We have 24 years together so I dont know if she believed me or not but thats my story and I am sticking to it.
I spent several hours doing a big write up on how this thing works and what does what with half a dozen pictures only to get some kind of error and loose everything so if it is ok with you all I am going to recant it over several posts over several days!
My mom would have you believe that it started as a child from fixing things to taking apart everything in the house out of curiosity. Now sucess in them working after that came more with experience but the way she tells the stories the losses may rival the national debt. I think it is fair to weigh the things that I fixed against that tho!
Honestly I planned to at least run it for a bit first and hopefully the "if it aint broke dont fix it" mentality would take over and I would leave it alone. After all with the quality in question who would know if it ever worked to begin with or I fixed it so nobody could fix it? I fought off thoughts of "it would be better to get familliar with it now before there is gas and oil to deal with or it gets dirty" and proceeded on with getting it ready to run.
So I take off the big side cover cause I gotta at least put oil in it, oops it dont take quite that much so good thing there is a handy pipe that came with it that screws into the fill plug/dipstick to drain a little.
Note that the carb is easy to get to.. note to self to see if jets are availabe since I may use this at 8500' once a year. I didnt look to see if the air filter is servicable without taking it apart to this level, will cross that bridge when I get there.
I notice that there is a small access cover on the top, must be the spark plug. Well I should check it to get the number off of it for a spare and put some anti-seize on the threads. Besides I am curious to see if they test ran it and there is evidence that they did.
So you are probably thinking you have a good idea of why I tore it apart in that I just couldnt help myself but I am telling ya it just aint so!
Now I dont know if this was subconsious or not, the fact that I have a habbit of always starting plugs by hand may suggest otherwise. Well I should have used the tool provided cause it slipped down to where big magnets live and fight you for it. Well it cant stay in there so I had to go in... At least thats what I told my wife as she found me in the garage with my new prize in several pieces. We have 24 years together so I dont know if she believed me or not but thats my story and I am sticking to it.
I spent several hours doing a big write up on how this thing works and what does what with half a dozen pictures only to get some kind of error and loose everything so if it is ok with you all I am going to recant it over several posts over several days!
