'Question About LEAD LEAD LEAD Acid Batteries

[MEXICOWANDERER]

• Calcium as an additive seems to accelerate hardened lead sulfate which means no removal or desulfation
• Accelerate means hardening in perhaps one-tenth the time as compared to lead antimony. This is not the exact chemistry but it will suffice as being more understandable in general
• Hybrid Plates is the new norm for car type RV batteries
• 2% antimony positive plates and calcium additive negative plates
• Uses less water than high 5% antimony true deep cycle battery
• Best plate paste is colloidal lead in high percentage with a minimum of premium quality binders. This means using high purity grids
• Expensive paste. Expensive binders
• No substitute for thick plates
• Many manufacturers BS their way with fairy tales but refuse to divulge positive plate thicknesss which demands better paste, better grids, and much more quality control
• More and thinner plates is much inferior and much cheaper
• That makes choosing a battery by weight alone irrational
• Using computer laser robotics, Lifeline safely stuffs fewer but thicker plates and thinner but higher capacity matting into their batteries
• Plate and separator alignment precise alignment are hyper-critical
• Acid and electrolysis eats things for a living. A thick plate LIVES longer than a thinner plate
• A critical factor of a better battery is how much abuse it can withstand yet recover
• Golf car batteries, how much of a fight they offer when equalizing.
  

[MEXICOWANDERER]

It is said Lithium works well on manic depression victims. There...
I have offered a dose of lithium for this thread 🙂

[3_tons]

What does all this have to do with Lithium?? ?? - lol

[MEXICOWANDERER]

If it wasn't for the military supporting a nine-figure contract Concorde would never has invested the inSane amount of money for robotic laser software driven production. They sought out virgin lead suppliers, matting that is much thinner yet supports better capillary circulation and superior military like venting safeties.

The economic climate has changed but it used to be when the military talked billions dollar contracts fiduciaries became most "amiable"

[Lwiddis]

Keep posting MEX! I will keep reading.

[pianotuna]

If you get lucky the thread may be on the wayback machine

https://web.archive.org/

[theoldwizard1]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
There is far too much unsupported information about lead acid batteries.

Boy is that statement true !

I am still shocked at how many people buy premium priced marine/RV batteries. A pair of "average" golf cart batteries will store more energy, have a longer life and probably COST LESS than a pair of 12V marine/RV batteries.

AGM batteries are convenient but I can not justify the cost difference. Are they really cost that much more to manufacture, or is it "supply and demand" ?

[MEXICOWANDERER]

I lost most of your post and all of my reply. Try again if you wish.

[BFL13]

No worries, I will try again later.

We will all have to watch out for the new broom ! 🙂

[dedmiston]

BFL13 wrote:
He was partially answering my very on-topic question about lead- calcium AGMs that was deleted (by mistake, in haste, I suppose) at the end of the closed AGM thread.

It took some effort to build that deleted post with its three links and it was bang on topic. I still don't have most of the info I asked for about different kinds of AGMs in that post. It is a PITA to have to rebuild it, since it also disappeared from my "view posts" collection, and cannot be simply copied. 😞

I'm very sorry.

I think we all wish that thread had gone differently.

[BFL13]

dedmiston wrote:

Yaj wrote:
What’s the question?

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe it's like Jeopardy where he gives the answer and you have to guess the question?

He was partially answering my very on-topic question about lead- calcium AGMs that was deleted (by mistake, in haste, I suppose) at the end of the closed AGM thread.

It took some effort to build that deleted post with its three links and it was bang on topic. I still don't have most of the info I asked for about different kinds of AGMs in that post. It is a PITA to have to rebuild it, since it also disappeared from my "view posts" collection, and cannot be simply copied. 😞

[MEXICOWANDERER]

I thought I answered BFL13s question.
As a degreed engineer I can write my own white papers.

And they will withstand peer review.
There is far too much unsupported information about lead acid batteries

And my comments about other chemistries is extremely limited except for the fact they have not existed in the marketplace long enough to conclude authoritative retail consumer longevity data.

Reality may be cruel or kind. But there is merely a single truth devoid of opinion

[Lwiddis]

Ok so there isn’t a question. Interesting post. Mex’s opinion or research. I’m glad he posted it.

[Horsedoc]

I believe it was a piece on batteries the found interesting and shared.

[dedmiston]

Yaj wrote:
What’s the question?

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe it's like Jeopardy where he gives the answer and you have to guess the question?