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Almost complete restoration 89 Fleetwood Southwind

treeDodgingCamp
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Hi everyone, I'm completely new here and new to owning a motorhome. So, it's probably a little crazy, but I'm undertaking an almost full restore on a 1989 Fleetwood Southwind 36'. I bought the motorhome on ebay under the impression it needed a paint job... it turns out it had a lot of water damage (go figure from what I've read), and now I've decided to completely strip it down and fix everything the right way.

I have plenty of carpentry skills, and can turn a wrench, so not much of a problem there, but I'm new to motorhome construction so this is a big learning experience.

I started documenting the process withe videos (the first few aren't that good, I'll try to make the next ones better)... so I'm posting that here in hopes of any advice, criticism, instruction... or plain tell me I'm nuts!

EDIT: I've uploaded 3 videos so far.. in the first video I mention maybe the body is rotted from the frame... I found it it's not and the driver's side is sagging due to blown strut and air bag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUCYh4HtluQ

EDIT: I was wrong. The box frame was definitely rotted (much if now repaired).
'96 Dolphin with '14 Fiat 500 Toad
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TXiceman
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I am so sorry that the OP has put so much time and money in a 1989 Fleetwood. having had a 1989 Pace Arrow and it had severe delamination and once opened up, the steel frame was pretty much non-existent in major areas. Fleetwood did a really poor job designing this series of coaches.

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Well everyone... it's been awhile and things have changed. It has rained ALL summer. We've had less than a week of no rain.. and it's been cold. So, because of the weather I was not able to complete what was needed before winter, and now sadly, I'll be sending this motorhome to the scrap yard.

The good news: I practically stole a '96 National Dolphin in great shape. $7,000. It has everything (that we need at least) - central air, 13' slideout, huge bath and a ton more.

The Dolphin has a few quirks... such as the multi-function switch (F53) which needs replaced and a few cosmetic touches, but all-in-all it's a solid motorhome and made the 2 1/2 hour trip home with no hiccups.

The Fleetwood, if nothing else, was an awesome learning experience. I now know every inch of how that thing was constructed and now have a really good idea how this Dolphin was (although it's fiberglass shell and not aluminum).

I'll be putting one final video up later today.

** on a side note: NEVER SPRAY WD-40 into the hazard button on top of the steering column. This was suggested by a member in another thread (it was closed so I couldn't reply), as that actuator in there is what gets corroded and causes issues. Only problem with WD-40 is that it shorted everything out. I now have a melted connector and melted multi-function switch - after smoke billowed up from the steering column. If you run into this problem I'd highly suggest using electrical contact cleaner and NOT WD-40.
'96 Dolphin with '14 Fiat 500 Toad

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The weather is really hampering my progress... rain & cold in July. Feels like winter is coming. So... been working away at the upholstery (another new skill learned so far during this process).

Here's a couple photos of the driver's seat so far... my first attempt. I added a lot of new foam (an entire 2' x 4' block actually), and the cover is a little too large, but I think the next one will fit better. Either way, looks much better than before.


'96 Dolphin with '14 Fiat 500 Toad

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Slowly, but surely, progress continues. Most of the frame around the driver has been replaced, and now the aluminum and fender back on. Next the door and window go back in and then I can move to the rear of the motorhome.

I used liquid nails polyurethane to glue the aluminum sheeting to the frame. Next I'll set a few rivets to make sure it doesn't come apart. Inside I'll be using foam, which will also stick to the inside of the aluminum and help to keep it in place. The steel I used for the framing was 1/4", much thicker than the original steel tubing. I also added some bracing and sistered in some steel in other places to really strengthen the entire area.


lots of new steel

fender back on
'96 Dolphin with '14 Fiat 500 Toad

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Here's a quick video of removing the plastic from the propane tank (a little test using molasses to remove rust)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWqgdlLKkg
'96 Dolphin with '14 Fiat 500 Toad

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Ok, so it's been raining quite a bit making it hard to work on the frame, which is almost finished in the front (pics of that soon)... so some inside work... I've started re-upholstering the front seats and the front dashboard.

Found a really great deal on some good vinyl on ebay. 15 yards shipped to my door for $45. It's an off-white naugahyde with a nice texture (hard to see in photos). It's sewing easy and gluing to the dash quite well. It'll take less than $100 to finish the dash and both front seats.

Here's my first ever attempt at reupholstery (front seat chair arm). I think I got it a little tight, but the next ones should turn out better. I originally wanted to use suede where the lighter material was on the old arm rests, but because of time, price and no experience sewing/reupholstering I decided to keep it simple



Here you can see the texture (grain) of the vinyl better. I'm very happy with it. I still need to exacto out around those screw pegs so the vinyl pops up flush with the name plate.



More angles




On a side note, the molasses rust removal experiment on the propane tank seems to be a huge success. The entire tank is black, from what I assume is basically converted rust. I have two more days until I pull the plastic off and see for sure, but it certainly looks promising.

The front box frame is almost completely replaced with much stronger steel (1/4" instead of the original 1/8"), and further reinforced.

The front end is getting a complete makeover. I'm swapping out the 80s square headlamps for two custom round lamps on each side. The hood is getting a new shape which will tie into the lights and a new bumper skin made from fiberglass. I'll put up pics of the entire process after it's complete.

The dash is getting new vinyl, and the black insert which houses all the buttons and gauges is getting a wood finish treatment. I'm also replacing the gauge backs with custom white inserts.
'96 Dolphin with '14 Fiat 500 Toad

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k9-keno wrote:
Just a quick observation. As far as the back window and the bunks I would try and put a half dresser back in front of that window and not cover it. That window is an emergency exit window so egress can be made from the back of the RV if the front is on fire or accident. Also not sure about that Sat. dish on the roof mine is mounted facing down not up. Not sure if that is how they did it a few years back. Just my two cents and good luck!!!


I've decided to take this advice and do exactly that. I'll feel safter knowing the kids have an emergency exit in the back.

As for the sat. dish, I'm just going to remove that. It'll be replaced with a broadband internet system. When it's all said and done I'm hoping to have a self-sufficient rig with solar panels and even two portable windmills. Then with broadband internet I can work from anywhere.
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Here's the propane tank I removed. It was perfect for a test I've been wanting to try... which is to use molasses to remove rust from a large object that cannot fit in a vat (if you haven't heard of molasses rust removal google it)

I tried to simply brush some molasses on, but it dried too quickly. The next night I brushed molasses on again, but then covered it with plastic wrap. It still dried, but much slower and did turn some of the rust black, so next I'll mix 1:1 molasses to water and cover the entire thing and wrap it and check back in a week.

After I paint it I'm going to take it somewhere and have new valves installed.

The metal is rusty, but doesn't appear to be thin anywhere... I believe I can have it pressured tested as well.. if anyone has any other suggestions I'm all ears, considering it's an explosive tank.


'96 Dolphin with '14 Fiat 500 Toad

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westend wrote:
Nice work, good to see some things done right.

I did a complete gut and restore and have no regrets. As you state, you get it all done right and it will fit your style. Hard to put a price on that.


Awesome to hear that! I got stopped by rain today, but should have some photos of the finished framing soon. It's good to finally be fixing something, rather than ripping it apart!
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westend
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Nice work, good to see some things done right.

I did a complete gut and restore and have no regrets. As you state, you get it all done right and it will fit your style. Hard to put a price on that.
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Ok, and just to address some of the posts... yes this is a huge project and plenty of people probably think I'm nuts ๐Ÿ™‚ That's alright with me. I'm enjoying it, I know it'll be safer than the day it was new when I'm done, it'll have exactly what we need and I'll know every square inch of the coach, inside and out.

In case some people are wondering (I would be), I'll try to keep a running tally of the cost (not including time which would make this project absurdly non cost-effective but that's not the purpose anyway)... so right now I'm at $4,700 total investment. That'll at least double I'm sure before I'm finished... but where can you find a motorhome with brand new exterior/interior and a complete mechanical overhaul for less than $10k?
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Well everyone, progress continues... slowly, but surely. The inside is almost completely gutted, and the driver's side wall is half removed.

Something that was really bothering me was flex in the floor below the driver's feet when driving... turns out my concern was well justified, as the box frame was completely rotted out around the driver's side door in the front (see photos). The sidewall frame above the driver was also broken away from the roof frame, and the mounting bracket to the frame is fractured. The original construction leaves a bit to be desired... not much to it. Along with replacing the rotten metal, I'll be adding a bit of additional reinforcement to original structure.

I'm sticking with my original plan, although it's become more involved than I wanted (but not unexpected). At least I know this motorhome will be safe when I'm done.

Since these photos were taken I've replaced most of the frame around the front driver's side. The subfloor in the rear of the MH also has rot, and I will be replacing all of the cross-members with new metal back there as well.

After the box frame is rock solid all around the coach I'll continue with the mechanics (been doing some here and there anyway). Then I'll replace the roof, take care of exterior cosmetics and paint, and then build the interior.

Down to the box frame


Completely rotted and broken away. Only thing holding this together was the exterior sheeting and the door frame.


One of 3 main structure breaks causing the motorhome to flex when driving


The sidewall popped out 2-3 inches from pressure once the sheeting was removed.


Here you can see how far the sidewall pushed out. Should be flush with the metal plate on the right (is now that it's repaired).


Bottom frame in rear. Will be replacing all the bottom side rails and all of this cross members. Bolts lag through the floor joyces into these steel tubes, so I really wanted to be sure they're solid.
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k9-keno
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Just a quick observation. As far as the back window and the bunks I would try and put a half dresser back in front of that window and not cover it. That window is an emergency exit window so egress can be made from the back of the RV if the front is on fire or accident. Also not sure about that Sat. dish on the roof mine is mounted facing down not up. Not sure if that is how they did it a few years back. Just my two cents and good luck!!!
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Hi everyone... it's been awhile since I updated this thread, but quite a bit of progress has been made since.

The entire driver's side is nearly stripped of paint, the fenders and doors removed. The interior is almost entirely gutted.

Also, new airbags and shocks on the driver's side. I'm going to do a video of the air bag and shock replacement next when I do the passenger's side. Thankfully I read about the air bag replacement before attempting it, as I could see how this task could be quite the PITA.

So far everything is going along well. Just replacing the single air bag and shock absorber on the driver's side has already made a big difference.

My plan is to make this MH as solid, safe and sound as possible before touching the roof, paint and interior.

Money is not the concern, safety is.

So, the next task is going to be the braking system, and this is where I'm hoping for some advice. The brake pads and rotors on this MH look almost brand new. However, there is quite a bit of pedal travel and while the brakes will work, you really need to stand on them.

I have a feeling the prior owner was not aware of the HyrdoBoost system and therefore did not bleed the brakes correctly. It feels like there is air in the lines.

Anyway, I want to flush the entire brake system, replace all the rubber hoses, replace any corroded metal lines, possibly replace the master cylinder and then properly bleed the system.

My question here is: Where can I find absolute quality braking system components that can be trusted? I've heard horror stories of MH owners buying "American made" rubber lines, which turned out to be defective (would swell under pressure) and were actually made in China. I want to avoid anything like that... safety is #1 priority, not the cost.

One other issue that has me perplexed, and which I cannot seem to find any information on... when driving the MH, and especially when on uneven terrain, the floor under the driver's feet flexes. Literally the coach floor will move up and down some, independent of the metal plate. The metal plate I'm describing is the floor portion which the brake/gas pedals and steering shaft go through. The floor to the left of this plate is built much different than the passenger's side. I'm wondering if this flex is part of the design? Or if there is a serious issue with the MH? This is my greatest concern at the moment, as I feel it could represent a safety issue.

I'll try to make a quick video showing where the problem is.
'96 Dolphin with '14 Fiat 500 Toad