Tire Issue

[tntnardo]

Ok I know they is a thousand threads on tire issues & I think I read them all. But still a little confused & would like some input before I purchase 4 new tires. I have a jayco Pinnacle, weight from factory 13,119 / rated for 2,831 cargo, so that brings me to 16,000 for total. Eack axle is rated for 7000lb. Trailer came with st235-80r16 tow max tires. Only had about 4000 miles on them when the cords on 2 tires went (didn't blow but were bulged in middle) Had both tires replaced with the same toe max tires (I got a 70% warranty adjustment on the tires), yes I know I should have known better. After about 1000 more miles my 3ird tire of the of the original tow maxes blew. I then replaced the remaining 2 original tires with GY marathon. Well after about 2,000 miles the cord let lose on one of the NEW tow maxes I had replaced. After reading many threads on this subject I am going to replace all 4 tires. My research has me deciding between two tires, Bridgestone Lt235-85r16 Duravis / sailun st235-80r16 Although there have been many comments on the st vs Lt tire, it appears the sailun is an exception to the "don't buy a st". I did go to my local tire dealer (Goodyear), he said the bridgestone he could get with no problem but the sailun he could not be sure how long it would take to get. Both tires were about $200 each. So my only concern with the sailun would be how soon to get a replacement if I have trouble on road. Its a shame I no longer feel safe with my 5th wheeler do to the issues I have had & the issues I have read about. So even though I have 4 new tires on it I'm am going to get 4 new ones for a better piece of mind. Also with the total weight of trailer rated at 16,000 will both of these tires meet that. Thank you in advance for any information.

[Me_Again]

CALandLIN wrote:

Me Again wrote:

CALandLIN wrote:
This is a quote from a NHTSA interpretation.

"Industry standards generally form the basis for
demonstrating product safety and
quality before courts, regulators,
retailers, consumers and others."

Click here for the REF

You posted this in reference to what? Chris

There are always questions about tire industry standards that people challenge. And, maybe, rightfully so, at least in their way of thinking. NHTSA sort of writes in short-hand and you have to pay particular attention to every words meaning when reading their standards and regulations. So I went to their web site and asked about the bottom-line legality of tire industry standards and that's the answer I got from their law offices. It's short and to the point, isn't it?

Well I feel that over the years that you have been posting about tires you get all wrapped up in what the government thinks and says vs what happens in the real world with ST tires on larger RV trailers and their poor performance in said applications.

I now spend a lot of time on the Heartland forum and the problems with Blow Max tires is very perverse even with the new ones with a Nylon cap. Heartland finally switched to Sailun LRG all steel tires on their larger trailers to assure customer satisfaction with their trailer products. The larger Landmarks have Sailun 17.5 tires.

BTW, I can not find your question in the link provided.

Fool me once, but not a second time.

Chris

[CALandLIN]

Me Again wrote:

CALandLIN wrote:
This is a quote from a NHTSA interpretation.

"Industry standards generally form the basis for
demonstrating product safety and
quality before courts, regulators,
retailers, consumers and others."

Click here for the REF

You posted this in reference to what? Chris

There are always questions about tire industry standards that people challenge. And, maybe, rightfully so, at least in their way of thinking. NHTSA sort of writes in short-hand and you have to pay particular attention to every words meaning when reading their standards and regulations. So I went to their web site and asked about the bottom-line legality of tire industry standards and that's the answer I got from their law offices. It's short and to the point, isn't it?

[Me_Again]

CALandLIN wrote:
This is a quote from a NHTSA interpretation.

"Industry standards generally form the basis for
demonstrating product safety and
quality before courts, regulators,
retailers, consumers and others."

Click here for the REF

You posted this in reference to what? Chris

[CALandLIN]

This is a quote from a NHTSA interpretation.

"Industry standards generally form the basis for
demonstrating product safety and
quality before courts, regulators,
retailers, consumers and others."

Click here for the REF

[cummins2014]

RustyJC wrote:

cummins2014 wrote:

RustyJC wrote:

tntnardo wrote:
Do you have a model number on that? Thanks

H1503TP

Rusty

Discontinued model. It appears the replacement is a Model # L13HPD, and its only a 125 max psi compressor.

Home Depot sold reconditioned H1503TP, but they are also discontinued.

I have a Craftsman , similar to the new model Husky, same 125 psi. Although I have aired up to 80 psi, never have used it for 110 psi for my fifth wheel tires, never needed to on the road. At home I have a larger compressor for 110 psi. After reading this thread I will have to see if mine will air up to at least 110 psi.

Yep, but Internet search them. You can still find them for sale.

I've been carrying mine for a long time, so I'm not surprised that it might be obsolete at Home Depot.

Rusty

I did do an internet search, the reason I know they are no longer available. Had no luck finding any for sale . They may be out there, but I didn't see any. One used one on Ebay that was sold.

[Me_Again]

cummins2014 wrote:

RustyJC wrote:

tntnardo wrote:
Do you have a model number on that? Thanks

H1503TP

Rusty

Discontinued model. It appears the replacement is a Model # L13HPD, and its only a 125 max psi compressor.

Home Depot sold reconditioned H1503TP, but they are also discontinued.

I have a Craftsman , similar to the new model Husky, same 125 psi. Although I have aired up to 80 psi, never have used it for 110 psi for my fifth wheel tires, never needed to on the road. At home I have a larger compressor for 110 psi. After reading this thread I will have to see if mine will air up to at least 110 psi.

This one looks pretty good.

http://www.lowes.com/pd/Fini-1-5-HP-1-2-Gallon-135-PSI-120-Volt-Hot-Dog-Portable-Electric-Air-Compre...

[Me_Again]

Yes, all Big Horn's come with all steel ply Sailun LRG tires that get a better rep than GY G614 for reliability.

Chris

[RustyJC]

cummins2014 wrote:

RustyJC wrote:

tntnardo wrote:
Do you have a model number on that? Thanks

H1503TP

Rusty

Discontinued model. It appears the replacement is a Model # L13HPD, and its only a 125 max psi compressor.

Home Depot sold reconditioned H1503TP, but they are also discontinued.

I have a Craftsman , similar to the new model Husky, same 125 psi. Although I have aired up to 80 psi, never have used it for 110 psi for my fifth wheel tires, never needed to on the road. At home I have a larger compressor for 110 psi. After reading this thread I will have to see if mine will air up to at least 110 psi.

Yep, but Internet search them. You can still find them for sale.

I've been carrying mine for a long time, so I'm not surprised that it might be obsolete at Home Depot.

Rusty

[CALandLIN]

fj12ryder wrote:
I don't know that I would pay strict attention to what the placard states, and OEM fitment of tires. I would go by what weight is actually on the tires/axles.

The builders actually de-rate the axles so the cheapo tires they put on will be a match to the axle ratings. The axles on my Fuzion are 7,000 lbs. rated, but they were de-rated to 6,800 lbs., so the builder could put the cheap Carlisle ST tires on that are rated at 3,400 lbs. If the axles were rated as they should have been, i.e. 7,000 lbs. the Carlisle ST tires would not have been rated high enough to be used. Just more weaseling by the builders.

When my Carlisle tires blew after less than 8,000 miles, I seriously considered going to an LT "E" rated tire, because I wasn't about to pay over $300/tire for the Goodyear G614. I have weighed my individual wheels and know that my highest weight was 2,500 lbs. With LT "E" tires rated to 3,042 lbs. I knew I was easily within the carrying capacity.

However I discovered the Sailun S637 and went that route instead. So far so good.

Tire selections fitted to your RV trailer axles are done in accordance with Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, which includes recommended cold tire inflation pressures. Tires selected and fitted in accordance with the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's standards are fitted to the weight carried and have no cold recommended inflation pressures.

Here is a new reference that clearly describes a tire industry standard for replacement tires to provide a load capacity equal to or greater than what the OE tires provided.

Read "Eligibility" on page #32 of this document.

[cummins2014]

RustyJC wrote:

tntnardo wrote:
Do you have a model number on that? Thanks

H1503TP

Rusty

Discontinued model. It appears the replacement is a Model # L13HPD, and its only a 125 max psi compressor.

Home Depot sold reconditioned H1503TP, but they are also discontinued.

I have a Craftsman , similar to the new model Husky, same 125 psi. Although I have aired up to 80 psi, never have used it for 110 psi for my fifth wheel tires, never needed to on the road. At home I have a larger compressor for 110 psi. After reading this thread I will have to see if mine will air up to at least 110 psi.

[RustyJC]

tntnardo wrote:
Do you have a model number on that? Thanks

H1503TP

Rusty

[tntnardo]

RustyJC wrote:
I use a Husky compressor sold for construction air tools at Home Depot. It's good for 160 PSIG and has no trouble airing my 17.5" Goodyear G114 5th wheel tires up to their maximum cold pressure of 125 PSIG if required. It fits nicely in my truck bed toolbox.

Rusty

Do you have a model number on that? Thanks

[fj12ryder]

RustyJC wrote:
There are other reasons for carrying a compressor. Like adjusting the air pressure in the Trailair TriGlide pinbox extension, or adjusting the pressure in a truck's airbags, if the truck doesn't have an onboard compressor.

Besides, you can't just pull into any service station while towing a 5th wheel and find an air source that can top up a tire rated for 125 PSIG.

Rusty

Very true, you may not need it often, but when you need it you need it. I think I've used mine a couple times too, but was necessary every time.

[RustyJC]

There are other reasons for carrying a compressor. Like adjusting the air pressure in the Trailair TriGlide pinbox extension, or adjusting the pressure in a truck's airbags, if the truck doesn't have an onboard compressor.

Besides, you can't just pull into any service station while towing a 5th wheel and find an air source that can top up a tire rated for 125 PSIG.

Rusty