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Does anyone live off rental property while full timing?

Hemi_Joel
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How does that work out? I have been operating residential and small commercial rentals for many years, and it seems that being close by is a plus. Does anyone hang onto their rentals when going full time? Do you hire a professional manager?

Thanks, Joel
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Life_In_Serenit
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We just entered the world of full timing. We decided to keep our house and rent it out. The income wont support us while we are on the road but it helps. But it has been a hassle so far. Rent seems to be late and we had a few issues that we had to deal with while we were away. We are lucky enough to have a very good friend in our home town that keeps an eye on our house and is a retired maintenance person so he handles all the little stuf
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Walaby
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If you took depreciation of the rental when filing taxes, and you sell, you are going to get hammered, not only on taxes, but you get taxed on the claimed depreciation for all the years you claimed it.

I have a piece of rental property that I took off the rental market and it is now a second home for me. I need to keep it as a second home for two years in order to avoid all the additional taxes. When I calculated everything between tax on depreciation, capital gains tax, tax on anything I made after paying off any mortage, I was going to lose my BUTT big time.

Make sure you research all the impacts of selling while it is still a rental business.

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CA_Traveler
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pawatt wrote:
You will pay a lot of taxes if you sell off.
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We have one rental left and hope to leave it to the kids. That will trigger a stepped up basis and they will not owe any taxes.
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restlesswind
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We rent out the home we had in CA. It has worked pretty well for us for the past 10+ years (9 1/2 years full timing) The income has paid for a second home in AZ and now pays all the expenses of the second home. So it has worked for us. And yes we do have a management company.
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time2roll
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Hemi Joel wrote:
How does that work out? I have been operating residential and small commercial rentals for many years, and it seems that being close by is a plus. Does anyone hang onto their rentals when going full time? Do you hire a professional manager?

Thanks, Joel
Since you have experience I think you will do fine. Yes I recommend finding a professional manager so you can retire. Not just some person but a real company. This would not be the time to learn the ropes.

I own/manage several residential units and plan to hire a manager at some point to retire. I do less and less hands on management and repairs and hire out more and more.

ependydad
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I'm about 16 months into renting my house out. So far so good, knock on wood. I did opt for a property management company.

For that, I put some feelers out with family and friends in my local area. I then went to Google to lookup local folks and did checks on reviews. Ultimately, I interviewed 3 different ones. We picked from them and have been happy since.

Though, my personal situation is that I'm losing money and plan on selling come June.
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JAXFL
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Rentals from a distance is a no no... Even with property managers that suddenly retire, hard luck stories, broken things that cost more than the rent... I did it for a few years... And lost several thousands of dollars dumping the headaches...
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tinner12002
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Don't think I'd want the headache involved with rentals in a situation like that.
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Kevin_Todd
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We have rental property, but are still working at this time. I have a partner that I have been in real estate with for several years. My plans are to sell and take the profits, and as mentioned earlier, there is some tax burdens associated with that. They are all paid for, and I've owned them for long enough to avoid the short term gains. My main goal was to use this along with my deferred accounts to retire and things are getting closer. I plan on continuing to flip properties, keeping a home base and traveling when we want. Sounds good anyway.....
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NYCgrrl
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Agreeing on advice that recommends a property mgmt. company. How to find a good one? Ask friends, local Realtors and real estate brokers. Do a walk through of properties the person or company currently manages to see if they keep up to your standards. When interviewing them see what advice they give about possible defaults in your current properties' mechanical and roofing systems. I always did this for prospective clients in writing. This protected me from any future responsibility and put the owner on notice of where their money needed to be spent to maintain their investment and tenants' homes.

tatest
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If you've been managing it yourself, you need a property management company to take over in your absence. My experience, it is a job, depending on extent it can be a full-time job, and if you are not there to do it, the job doesn't take care of itself. It doesn't take long for tenants to trash your property, and even the best tenants have demands that need immediate attention.

Finding a good property manager? That's another question.

I'm not so sure about selling off. I would almost rather donate and take the tax write offs. But I'm in a really bad market, the bubble burst 30 years ago with an industry collapse, and again 10 years ago when the last big employer left town. I'm holding some properties with actual market value less than 1/5 of what the county assessor puts on them. Some things are just local, I know nothing about your market.
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FULLTIMEWANABE
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FWIW and in case you can glean any ideas from it:

We built our net worth through properties over 30+ years, to enable us to retire, not being entitled to any form of pensions! Bought building lots, built and sold, renovation business and bought revenues to rent out etc etc. We sold our last revenue in May 2005 (had enough dealing with vacancies whilst trying to find the "right" tenants, and then the "hard luck" stories and lack of respect how they treated our properties). Then in Apr 2006 our market was going ballistic, so we ordered a condo to be built for eldest daughter to live in and pay reduced rent than market rate = worse thing we ever did, as took two years to deliver in July 2008, by which time she was onto different things and the wheels had fallen off the economic bus so to speak = negative equity. Finally sold it this August 15th, after being 9 months on the market for $50K less than we paid for it (ouch, can you feel we're hurting after a decade of ownership!). Anyway, long story short the times and real estate market places are a changing, and we too have seen how little attention property managers place on looking after others rental units for the most part - think of them operating on a "numbers game". If we can't be hands on ourselves to manage it, and in more confident economic times whilst doing so we are so glad and relieved to have now sold the last two this year. There's a lot to be said about peace of mind at times over money we've ascertained, especially as we've got older, more cynical and burnt a few too many times. Believe me for us the relief versus the tax bill we had to pay was worth it. Feels great right now.

We are trying to sell our last property (going on the market 17th Oct) in Fla, and then for a little higher return than we'd get in the banks, we're going to carry interest only, on our main acreage for our youngest daughter and her soon to be husband. They are going to save the difference they'd be paying down on a mortgage as principal and then as and when they are comfortable they can at any juncture apply for their own mortgage and buy it outright from us at the price as if we'd sold it to them today. Really doesn't matter, as when we get called to the old pearly gates she'd get it all anyway. In the meantime the money they pay us as interest (more favourable than bank deals) gives us more than if we'd put it in the bank on a full sale basis, and they get a better deal than through the banks financing commitments etc. WIN-WIN.

The rest of our savings/accounts we are putting into a self directed "Couch Potato" set up, with a goal of returning at least a 4% return ideally but average 5 & 10 year returns has been showing much much higher than that including considering real lower returns the past couple of years. So ........ there's never any guarantees on anything in life, but we are seriously of the mindset after getting over the disappointment on low interest rate returns, that "peace of mind" being debt free, and property maintenance/billing free is priceless.

Good luck Joel on whatever you decide moving forwards.

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pawatt
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You will pay a lot of taxes if you sell off.
We use a propery management company. They do a good job and more than earn the 10 per cent of gross rent they charge. The best part is their access to carpenters, plumbers, electricians and whatever Handyman you may need.
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Hemi_Joel
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Thanks for the replies. It seems that the consensus is to sell off . If I cash out, I can't think of another investment that has built-in inflationary increases both to the principal value and the income.(rent)
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