Any electric vehicles out there that can be

[bob_b]

flat towed and charge themselves while being towed? If not there should be! It could be possible and what a convenience! I would buy one tomorrow, Bob

[Airdaile]

WRVPO - I believe you're having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

[time2roll]

pianotuna wrote:
Then there are these two cars:

https://sonomotors.com/sion.html/

and for those who have deep pockets

https://lightyear.one/

Of course Tesla is already doing this. Just different in that the solar power is stationary and not on the actual vehicle. Most people could go off the grid today to live at home and drive on solar power.

[CoeyCoey]

westernrvparkowner wrote:

CoeyCoey wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

CoeyCoey wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
My apologies. I guess you have it all figured out. You should get in touch with those New Green Deal people, they could use a panacea answer to silence the critics who say going carbon free isn't going to be as easy as they make it sound.

Even if we had 100% carbon-free energy tomorrow, it wouldn't save our planet. We need to eliminate meat consumption and replant the 2 billion hectares of forest humans have destroyed for animal agriculture.

I am willing to bet that 1 million years and even 1 billion years from today the planet will still be here, regardless of whether or not we stop eating meat and replant those 2 billion hectares of forest. "Saving the planet" is a slogan that sounds good but is factually unnecessary.

Do you realize that humans are killing off other species of animals at a frightening rate? Humans aren't the only occupants of this planet, they just act like it.

And you either have to be very ignorant, or downright disingenuous to not understand what saving the planet means.

Species have been dying off for millions of years. Humans never killed a Dinosaur, yet they are gone. I am not ignorant, but I am also not so arrogant to believe that the entire fate of the planet is hanging in the balance and the outcome is going to be determined by actions of mankind over the next dozen years. Nature is not that fragile and humans not that powerful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

[westernrvparkow]

CoeyCoey wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

CoeyCoey wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
My apologies. I guess you have it all figured out. You should get in touch with those New Green Deal people, they could use a panacea answer to silence the critics who say going carbon free isn't going to be as easy as they make it sound.

Even if we had 100% carbon-free energy tomorrow, it wouldn't save our planet. We need to eliminate meat consumption and replant the 2 billion hectares of forest humans have destroyed for animal agriculture.

I am willing to bet that 1 million years and even 1 billion years from today the planet will still be here, regardless of whether or not we stop eating meat and replant those 2 billion hectares of forest. "Saving the planet" is a slogan that sounds good but is factually unnecessary.

Do you realize that humans are killing off other species of animals at a frightening rate? Humans aren't the only occupants of this planet, they just act like it.

And you either have to be very ignorant, or downright disingenuous to not understand what saving the planet means.

Species have been dying off for millions of years. Humans never killed a Dinosaur, yet they are gone. I am not ignorant, but I am also not so arrogant to believe that the entire fate of the planet is hanging in the balance and the outcome is going to be determined by actions of mankind over the next dozen years. Nature is not that fragile and humans not that powerful.

[CoeyCoey]

westernrvparkowner wrote:

CoeyCoey wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
My apologies. I guess you have it all figured out. You should get in touch with those New Green Deal people, they could use a panacea answer to silence the critics who say going carbon free isn't going to be as easy as they make it sound.

Even if we had 100% carbon-free energy tomorrow, it wouldn't save our planet. We need to eliminate meat consumption and replant the 2 billion hectares of forest humans have destroyed for animal agriculture.

I am willing to bet that 1 million years and even 1 billion years from today the planet will still be here, regardless of whether or not we stop eating meat and replant those 2 billion hectares of forest. "Saving the planet" is a slogan that sounds good but is factually unnecessary.

Do you realize that humans are killing off other species of animals at a frightening rate? Humans aren't the only occupants of this planet, they just act like it.

And you either have to be very ignorant, or downright disingenuous to not understand what saving the planet means.

[westernrvparkow]

CoeyCoey wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
My apologies. I guess you have it all figured out. You should get in touch with those New Green Deal people, they could use a panacea answer to silence the critics who say going carbon free isn't going to be as easy as they make it sound.

Even if we had 100% carbon-free energy tomorrow, it wouldn't save our planet. We need to eliminate meat consumption and replant the 2 billion hectares of forest humans have destroyed for animal agriculture.

I am willing to bet that 1 million years and even 1 billion years from today the planet will still be here, regardless of whether or not we stop eating meat and replant those 2 billion hectares of forest. "Saving the planet" is a slogan that sounds good but is factually unnecessary.

[CoeyCoey]

westernrvparkowner wrote:
My apologies. I guess you have it all figured out. You should get in touch with those New Green Deal people, they could use a panacea answer to silence the critics who say going carbon free isn't going to be as easy as they make it sound.

Even if we had 100% carbon-free energy tomorrow, it wouldn't save our planet. We need to eliminate meat consumption and replant the 2 billion hectares of forest humans have destroyed for animal agriculture.

[pianotuna]

Then there are these two cars:

https://sonomotors.com/sion.html/

and for those who have deep pockets

https://lightyear.one/

[westernrvparkow]

way2roll wrote:
Am I the only one that finds a huge inefficient RV towing an electric car amusing?

Actually I find electric cars amusing altogether. Aside from the upside that they can be very fast and mechanically efficient, they are far from eco friendly in terms of production and energy cost and means to charge them. Sort of like solar panels. Sure on the surface (pardon the pun) they look efficient but the materials used to manufacture them and the waste used in production is hardly eco friendly.

You miss the point. Having an EV wipes out any negative effects of having that huge, inefficient RV. It is exactly the same as Leonardo DiCapro driving his Prius to the airport to board his private jet taking him across the globe to climate conferences. Both are obviously Carbon neutral.
Another, more practical example: When changing your motor oil, drain the used oil into the storm drain and then put the new oil's cans into the recycling bin. You will be returning the oil to mother earth and will have recycled that evil can. Thus you will have had a net zero effect on the environment. (above post is satire, no need to point out the errors of my ways. I realize all three examples are not environmentally neutral but are actually environmentally friendly)

[westernrvparkow]

CoeyCoey wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

CoeyCoey wrote:

Airdaile wrote:
Not long ago someone here proposed using a bicycle type generator or a ram air generator to charge the toad battery while being towed. Like everything else, it was generally poo-pooed here.

Although both would work, both would provide constant drag while towing. Having the EV apply regenerative braking when the towing vehicles applies its brakes would generate a lot more energy and only when you want to slow down. And ideally, you could have a manual potentiometer that would allow you to adjust the force of the braking so you aren't using the RV brakes and all, and just the EV's regenerative braking. By doing so, you could get a huge amount of energy in those batteries while slowing down both vehicles. Especially something like a class A. And you are saving the service brakes.

What would be even more amazing is if they make the EV so that it uses wheel power during acceleration and hill climbs to reduce or even eliminate the load on the RV. This way you would not increase the load on the RV at all for better mileage and acceleration, and because the car is in the draft of the RV, it would use far less energy than normal.

Regenerative braking is not something that could just be retrofitted into your current class A and then piped to the batteries of the EV. I guess you could configure the EV braking system to activate and stop the RV, but the brakes on a 2000LB EV isn't going to help stop a 40,000lb diesel pusher very much. On top of that, the whole idea of an RV and towed is to use the RV on the long part of the trip (not much braking) and the towed for the stop and go driving in town. I don't think this concept is going to be a lynch pin of the New Green Deal.

No dude, not regenerative braking in the RV. No one said that. The EV would have regenerative braking of its own. When you need to slow down the RV, you can use the regenerative braking of the EV. And it doesn't even have to help slow down the RV, it just needs to apply the regenerative braking to charge the EV batteries. You don't expect a 2,000 pound trailer with brakes to slow down an RV, do you? Why are so many people having a hard time with grasping the concept of getting a free battery charge on your toad EV??

My apologies. I guess you have it all figured out. You should get in touch with those New Green Deal people, they could use a panacea answer to silence the critics who say going carbon free isn't going to be as easy as they make it sound.

[way2roll]

Am I the only one that finds a huge inefficient RV towing an electric car amusing?

Actually I find electric cars amusing altogether. Aside from the upside that they can be very fast and mechanically efficient, they are far from eco friendly in terms of production and energy cost and means to charge them. Sort of like solar panels. Sure on the surface (pardon the pun) they look efficient but the materials used to manufacture them and the waste used in production is hardly eco friendly.

[CoeyCoey]

westernrvparkowner wrote:

CoeyCoey wrote:

Airdaile wrote:
Not long ago someone here proposed using a bicycle type generator or a ram air generator to charge the toad battery while being towed. Like everything else, it was generally poo-pooed here.

Although both would work, both would provide constant drag while towing. Having the EV apply regenerative braking when the towing vehicles applies its brakes would generate a lot more energy and only when you want to slow down. And ideally, you could have a manual potentiometer that would allow you to adjust the force of the braking so you aren't using the RV brakes and all, and just the EV's regenerative braking. By doing so, you could get a huge amount of energy in those batteries while slowing down both vehicles. Especially something like a class A. And you are saving the service brakes.

What would be even more amazing is if they make the EV so that it uses wheel power during acceleration and hill climbs to reduce or even eliminate the load on the RV. This way you would not increase the load on the RV at all for better mileage and acceleration, and because the car is in the draft of the RV, it would use far less energy than normal.

Regenerative braking is not something that could just be retrofitted into your current class A and then piped to the batteries of the EV. I guess you could configure the EV braking system to activate and stop the RV, but the brakes on a 2000LB EV isn't going to help stop a 40,000lb diesel pusher very much. On top of that, the whole idea of an RV and towed is to use the RV on the long part of the trip (not much braking) and the towed for the stop and go driving in town. I don't think this concept is going to be a lynch pin of the New Green Deal.

No dude, not regenerative braking in the RV. No one said that. The EV would have regenerative braking of its own. When you need to slow down the RV, you can use the regenerative braking of the EV. And it doesn't even have to help slow down the RV, it just needs to apply the regenerative braking to charge the EV batteries. You don't expect a 2,000 pound trailer with brakes to slow down an RV, do you? Why are so many people having a hard time with grasping the concept of getting a free battery charge on your toad EV??

[westernrvparkow]

CoeyCoey wrote:

Airdaile wrote:
Not long ago someone here proposed using a bicycle type generator or a ram air generator to charge the toad battery while being towed. Like everything else, it was generally poo-pooed here.

Although both would work, both would provide constant drag while towing. Having the EV apply regenerative braking when the towing vehicles applies its brakes would generate a lot more energy and only when you want to slow down. And ideally, you could have a manual potentiometer that would allow you to adjust the force of the braking so you aren't using the RV brakes and all, and just the EV's regenerative braking. By doing so, you could get a huge amount of energy in those batteries while slowing down both vehicles. Especially something like a class A. And you are saving the service brakes.

What would be even more amazing is if they make the EV so that it uses wheel power during acceleration and hill climbs to reduce or even eliminate the load on the RV. This way you would not increase the load on the RV at all for better mileage and acceleration, and because the car is in the draft of the RV, it would use far less energy than normal.

Regenerative braking is not something that could just be retrofitted into your current class A and then piped to the batteries of the EV. I guess you could configure the EV braking system to activate and stop the RV, but the brakes on a 2000LB EV isn't going to help stop a 40,000lb diesel pusher very much. On top of that, the whole idea of an RV and towed is to use the RV on the long part of the trip (not much braking) and the towed for the stop and go driving in town. I don't think this concept is going to be a lynch pin of the New Green Deal.

[time2roll]

CoeyCoey wrote:
Yes, thank you for understanding this concept. I am in awe that some people think you would charge the batteries when driving and not braking. That makes zero sense. You only want to charge when needing to brake. Going down a few mountains would add a lot of energy to the batteries. You wouldn't want to try and charge the batteries full because then they won't regen when you needed to brake.

Sometimes when you think something is obvious as hell...

Yes and an EV does not work that way. That is I don't know of any EV that will just coast along and only regenerate power when the brake is pressed.
I will say again what you want is a plug-in hybrid MH. Going to be a few more years.