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Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

fulltimin
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Started to look into some water damage in the kitchen of our 83 Pace Arrow. The more I looked, the more I found. I have some pics of the damage so far. Anyone interested in following a rebuild thread?
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fulltimin
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Next is put the box on the ground and get ready to apply weight.....


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fulltimin
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Next, is to add a small amount of adhesive around the outside, then flip it over and set it on top of the wood box.

Then I put some weight on top, to help hold the aluminum down, and give the adhesive a chance to cure.


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fulltimin
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Ok, after the failure with the screws above, I decided to use the structural adhesive, and re-test on the same 20" square box.

So, I sanded the edges of the aluminum, to remove the shine, and give it some "tooth" for the adhesive to grab onto.


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fulltimin
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Ever have one of those days, when what you expected to happen, didn't?

Yea, me neither........... LOL

Pics coming.
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fulltimin
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And one more view.....


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fulltimin
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A little better shot of the top of the aluminum, after the failure.


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fulltimin
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And BAM. Fifteen seconds later, we have this failure.





As you can see, the screws remain in place, and the aluminum pulled through the screws.

I know, I know, what do you expect out of such thin aluminum?

Tomorrow, I plan on having a test of using another piece of aluminum from the same roll, but gluing it to the same frame.

I will be using the Norton speedgrip structural adhesive, that was shown in an earlier post.

We will see how that holds up, compared to the screws.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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So, it's time to put some weight on this little puppy......





Putting the same 350 + lbs on the aluminum, that I put onto the blueboard insulation.





You can see the screw heads, all around the edge of the aluminum.
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fulltimin
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And the bottom of the box, with the aluminum screwed fast.


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fulltimin
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And then I screwed the aluminum to the wood frame. I used aluminum screws, and spaced them 4 1/2" apart.

The aluminum is about .010" thick. That is 10/1000 of an inch thick. Not very thick by any means.

You can see the white heads of the screws in this pic.


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fulltimin
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So, I built a box out of 2" x 3" lumber, and about 20 inches square.


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fulltimin
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Ok, next is a test of the strength of aluminum, which is screwed to plywood. I wanted to see how it would hold up to weight being put on it.

So, I looked at the side of the motor home, and found that the rivets that hold the bottom of the siding onto the motor home were about 4 1/4 inches apart.

Pic below.


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fulltimin
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Bruce Brown wrote:
^^^ That's good stuff. More places are now bonding instead of welding. 3M makes a bunch too, that's what I normally use. Years ago I "glued" a new dogleg into our Explorer. The bond was stronger than the metal - ask me how I know. :S



What did you do????? Lol.....
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Bruce_Brown
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^^^ That's good stuff. More places are now bonding instead of welding. 3M makes a bunch too, that's what I normally use. Years ago I "glued" a new dogleg into our Explorer. The bond was stronger than the metal - ask me how I know. :S
There are 24 hours in every day - it all depends on how you choose to use them.
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2008 Kountry Star Pusher 3910

fulltimin
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Ok, back on topic.

Here is an adhesive that my cousin turned me on to. This stuff will bond almost anything together. I have used it for various projects, including some plastics, wood, steel, and aluminum, with excellent results.

He uses it in a body shop, and while this has only 1 minute open time, (yup, gotta work fast), there are other version of this that have longer open times.

The reason for posting this? I am going to use some of this on my rebuild. Pictures will be coming, although, not sure it will be tonight.

I have no affiliation with this outfit, but I am definitely a satisfied customer. Be warned, it is not cheap...


If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.