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Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

fulltimin
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Nomad
Started to look into some water damage in the kitchen of our 83 Pace Arrow. The more I looked, the more I found. I have some pics of the damage so far. Anyone interested in following a rebuild thread?
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Old_Islander
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I had to make a bunch of frames similar to that and found a half-lap joint to work well. If you set up your table saw, you can cut a bunch of them very quickly, in one operation. Run the piece through a number of times, nibbling away the material so the depth and length of the lap are the same on each. A bandsaw works too but requires two set-ups. Assembly with glue and a couple of small brads, and the wood will bust before the joint.

fulltimin
Nomad
Nomad
I took a good look at the spline today as the glue was dry. It's nice and strong, which I like, and resists racking, which is good when pulling on a door.







One way or another, I need to slay this dragon as soon as possible.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Nomad
zigzagrv wrote:
Looks like a perfect place to use biscuits. I have used biscuit joints over the years, even outdoor projects, with great success. And they are easy to make.




I haven't used biscuits, but I have used mortise and tenon, and splines at times. When done right, I like the strength of mortise and tenon, although it takes some extra time to get them done properly.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Nomad
ro_sie wrote:
I think I would forgo the doors and put one or two rods accross above the shelves at varying heights.




Thanks for the idea. We talked about that a bit, and it's a possibility at this point.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

zigzagrv
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Explorer
Looks like a perfect place to use biscuits. I have used biscuit joints over the years, even outdoor projects, with great success. And they are easy to make.

Ron



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ro_sie
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Explorer
I think I would forgo the doors and put one or two rods accross above the shelves at varying heights.
ro_sie
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fulltimin
Nomad
Nomad
My next step was to try using a spline joint at the corners.







After the glue dries tomorrow, I'll see how that seems to hold together. Perhaps that will work much better.







I can go a little deeper with the spline, but I figured I'd try one that is nearly 1/2 way through the one member, and used a piece of 1/4" plywood as the spline.

We'll see how that holds up tomorrow.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Nomad
Well, the wife told me to take the weekend off since it was New Years, so I figured perhaps I should.

Back at it today, and another idea shot to ... smithereenes....

I started to try to assemble the first frame for one of the doors in the bath area, and just blew it up.







Just in case you thought that it may have been way too thin ....







Yup, just a 1/16" shy of 3/4", or 11/16" if you prefer. So, that didn't work out well. On one of them, I even drilled out a hole for the screw in the secondary member, and it still split.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Nomad
PastorCharlie wrote:
fulltimin wrote:
PastorCharlie wrote:
fulltimin wrote:
I spent some time tonight looking at some options for the doors to cover the shelves in the bath wall. Yes, I said doors, with an s.

A single door that's about 12" wide and over 6 feet tall, is just not going to work well. So, I decided to split them up into 3 doors, each about 2 feet tall.

That will be easier to manage.

After spending too much time on options, I settled on a frame and panel design, something like below. This just shows the frame without the panel inside.

That means I'll be working on that tomorrow.





I like to use folding louver doors and make them operate separate for such occasions. I have used decorative doors to accomplish what you are working on.

HERE




After a little thought, folding doors in a moving rv, doesn't sound like the best idea. Maybe I am missing something.


Separate the folding doors and make them into two regular hinged doors. I installed seven shelves in a 6'8" opening such as you are working with, and it holds a massive number of items and storage.




I hadn't thought of splitting them in the middle. Hmmmmmm.....
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

PastorCharlie
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Happy New Year to everyone.

PastorCharlie
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Explorer
fulltimin wrote:
PastorCharlie wrote:
fulltimin wrote:
I spent some time tonight looking at some options for the doors to cover the shelves in the bath wall. Yes, I said doors, with an s.

A single door that's about 12" wide and over 6 feet tall, is just not going to work well. So, I decided to split them up into 3 doors, each about 2 feet tall.

That will be easier to manage.

After spending too much time on options, I settled on a frame and panel design, something like below. This just shows the frame without the panel inside.

That means I'll be working on that tomorrow.





I like to use folding louver doors and make them operate separate for such occasions. I have used decorative doors to accomplish what you are working on.

HERE




After a little thought, folding doors in a moving rv, doesn't sound like the best idea. Maybe I am missing something.


Separate the folding doors and make them into two regular hinged doors. I installed seven shelves in a 6'8" opening such as you are working with, and it holds a massive number of items and storage.

PastorCharlie
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Explorer
fulltimin wrote:
PastorCharlie wrote:
fulltimin wrote:
ro_sie wrote:
Paster Charlie, thats expensive! Bathroom tissue is cheaper than THAT!



Going to have to agree with that. Plenty of toilet paper can be bought for way less than $20.


You are building a one-of-a-kind custom RV and going to cheap out on toilet paper? For shame, for shame, for shame.

Toilet paper was not available with the one- or two-hole toilets back in the day.



In addition to expense, there are 2 additional issues, (no pun intended). Oh, I guess that would be magazines, not catalogs. Lol.

First is, the saint I am married to, deserves more comfort than a catalog will provide.

Second, I use water and not paper for keeping things clean.

How about a one hole'r with a bidet?


Yeah!
How about a one hole'r with a bidet?

navegator
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Explorer
Got nyt ore till dej. (Swedish) Happy new year to you to.

navegator

fulltimin
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Nomad
Happy New Year, Everyone! May 2022 be better than 2021! Wahoo!!! ๐Ÿ™‚
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
Nomad
Nomad
PastorCharlie wrote:
fulltimin wrote:
I spent some time tonight looking at some options for the doors to cover the shelves in the bath wall. Yes, I said doors, with an s.

A single door that's about 12" wide and over 6 feet tall, is just not going to work well. So, I decided to split them up into 3 doors, each about 2 feet tall.

That will be easier to manage.

After spending too much time on options, I settled on a frame and panel design, something like below. This just shows the frame without the panel inside.

That means I'll be working on that tomorrow.





I like to use folding louver doors and make them operate separate for such occasions. I have used decorative doors to accomplish what you are working on.

HERE




After a little thought, folding doors in a moving rv, doesn't sound like the best idea. Maybe I am missing something.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

-------------------------------------------------

Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.