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Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

fulltimin
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Started to look into some water damage in the kitchen of our 83 Pace Arrow. The more I looked, the more I found. I have some pics of the damage so far. Anyone interested in following a rebuild thread?
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fulltimin
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Another view from a different direction.



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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This shows what it looks like trying to hold everything in place while the adhesive cures. Clamps, clamps, and more clamps.

Add to that a bunch of weight - (batteries are heavy), so I used 4 of them, and added some water jugs.

That holds things in place pretty well for curing. Curing takes about 3 hours.



If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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By the way. What ya gonna do, when you don't have enough hands, and are too lazy to go get a bag or box to transport a bunch of plastic clamps?

Well, I used the beltline of my pants.. LOL>>>...





Yea, yea, stop laughing. If you haven't done it, you have probably thought about it.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Here is another pic of the beginning of adding another layer of plywood on the back of the roof.

After cutting this piece, I test fit it, and put 4 gallons of water at the end of the 4' piece. You can see that the plywood does not conform very well to the layer underneath it. (red arrow).

That also is with the very edge of the plywood not fully flat with the edge of the lower layer. All I had on at this point were the plastic clamps on the edge, so adding steel clamps would buckle this part of the plywood up even a little more.



If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Well, I just got interrupted. I'll have to finish this tomorrow. Ugh, bummer. ๐Ÿ˜ž
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Adding a little extra pressure, takes care of the problem here, but like I said, increases the pressure at the top of the roof where the plywood straightens out.



If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Here you can see how far apart the 2 pieces are with these clamps.

Adding more pressure to hold the plywood down will also result in the plywood popping up a little bit more under the water jugs.



If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Here is the beginning of trying to fit a piece of plywood there. I used some plastic clamps to help hold the end down and some water filled jugs to help with the section towards the center.







Even though it may look pretty good, the clamped end is not fully down, but sticking up just a touch. Going to have to clamp that with a stronger clamp to get it down.

If you look at the section under the water jugs, the plywood there is sticking up just a touch.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Finally a day without rain. Nice, pleasant day today.

Anyhow, this pic is of the rear of the roof. When I put the 1/4" plywood on, originally, I added a little extra overhang at the back.

The red arrow points to where the last roof joist is, and everything to the left of those screws, is just kind of "hanging" there, as in an overhang. Yes, I have plans for that overhang later.

However, the yellow arrow points to where I slid this last piece of plywood in under the next piece. Therefore, there is a 1/4 in difference in height where the yellow arrow is.

I need to cover this last piece with another piece of 1/4 inch plywood, so the roof is level.







Let me tell you, having a curved roof, has been both a blessing and a curse, if you know what I mean.

It is definitely much easier to work with square, flat surfaces. Since the sides are rounded, and this last piece slopes downward a little bit, it's a bit of a "trip" to get the plywood to fit correctly. Hey, I did it. I have no one else to blame but myself.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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PastorCharlie wrote:
Can you imagine all the people needing rain that had to wait while you finished sanding the roof?



What a concept! Lol... Fortunately, it didn't take hours on end for that little bit of sanding.

Years ago, our local weatherman made the statement - At any given time, some areas are in a drought, other areas are flooded, and even other areas are just right.

Fast forward 6 months to a year, and the exact opposite may happen in those same areas.

Go figure.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

PastorCharlie
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Can you imagine all the people needing rain that had to wait while you finished sanding the roof?

fulltimin
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Today started off just like yesterday, wet. Eventually, it stopped raining, and started to dry off a little bit.

I decided to go out and pull the rubber back up front, so I could try to finish the sanding that I needed to do.

I did manage to finish up the sanding on the last part of the roof that had not been done.

You can see on the right side of this pic, that the driveway is still partly wet.







After finishing sanding, I put the rubber back in place and attached the straps again.

Less than 2 minutes after I strapped it down, it started raining again. Lol. At least it waited long enough for me to finish.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Well, I woke up this morning, and .... actually this was yesterday morning. I had planned to finish sanding the roof yesterday, but, alas, it was wet, as this pic shows.

Unfortunately, it stayed that way all day. According to the weather forecast, there was no more than a 10% chance of rain, so it used all of the 10% plus.

Before I could finish my cup of coffee, it started raining. Rained on and off all day. Bummer.



If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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navegator wrote:
Have you considered placing a sheet of galvanized steel or aluminum, now that you have all this work done it should be worth the expense.

Aluminum roof with a coat of rubber to minimize the noise of rain?

navegator




I have not considered that. Most of the Epdm/TPO roofs are very thin, and not reinforced. If you grab it by a corner it is fairly easy to tear.

The TPO/Epdm that I am using is about 3 times thicker than what would normally be used on an rv. It is also reinforced with fiberglass in between the 2 layers which makes it very strong.

It is not possible to just "tear a piece off" of this stuff. Add to that, it is white on top, and it reflects sunshine very well.

In fact, when laying side by side, the white TPO is barely warm and very touchable in full sun. Black Epdm - ah yea, not so much. That gets very hot. Hot enough to burn you in a matter of seconds.

When it rains, the TPO helps dampen the sound as well.

This stuff is actually used on commercial buildings, and from what I've seen, holds up very well.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

navegator
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Have you considered placing a sheet of galvanized steel or aluminum, now that you have all this work done it should be worth the expense.

Aluminum roof with a coat of rubber to minimize the noise of rain?

navegator