Transmission oil change due to time?

[map40]

I'm buying an Alfa with a C7 and an Allison 3000. The tranny had an oil change 4 years and 25k miles ago. Do you change the trans fluid due to time?

[mike_brez]

Active Allison thread

[map40]

I asked the moderator to lock it 10 posts ago, no signs of life...

[wolfe10]

OK, this one has degraded into personal attacks.

Nothing new has been posted for a long time.

Moderators: How about locking it?

[map40]

et2 wrote:

map40 wrote:

et2 wrote:

See that's a problem with forums. People like you that run around telling others to ignore or avoid the owners manuals,

I never said to ignore the manual. I simply said to ask arround and challenge the manual. Now, if you have such a problem with the people in this forum, really why are you here? We, the ones who like this forum and the people in it, won't loose much if you leave...

If anybody else is interested, Charlie D posted a really good thread on Allison trans fluid
https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24963117.cfm

One thing we can get straight. I don't have any problems with anyone in this forum. So you can climb off your high horse. Your comments are all over the map. You started this post with a question didn't you? Well, you are actually the one complaining when someone actually wants to discuss it.

Like you ... I like to challenge those who say a lot of things that could confuse people or get them In trouble. There's also a saying ... Don't believe everything you hear on the Internet. I don't.

Why do you start a post you already have "your" answer to?

I'm done with this. Have a great evening

You starter with the complaining of not understanding why people just doesn't simply follow manuals. We were never over the map. My question was always the same. I ask because I know somebody might know better. And I found somebody that apparently did. And the recommendation of testing the oil is a really good one.
You brought up the people of the forum, not us. Is easy to "Be done with this" when you are getting your rear end handed because your pride didn't let you stop typing when you should have admitted that you were judging others for not following the manuals and listening to others.
We will have a great evening, thank you.

And again, I hate when people doesn't know when to shut up because the important part is lost (Yes, I meant you). The important part is if anybody else is interested, Charlie D posted a really good thread on Allison trans fluid
https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24963117.cfm

[et2]

map40 wrote:

et2 wrote:

See that's a problem with forums. People like you that run around telling others to ignore or avoid the owners manuals,

I never said to ignore the manual. I simply said to ask arround and challenge the manual. Now, if you have such a problem with the people in this forum, really why are you here? We, the ones who like this forum and the people in it, won't loose much if you leave...

If anybody else is interested, Charlie D posted a really good thread on Allison trans fluid
https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24963117.cfm

One thing we can get straight. I don't have any problems with anyone in this forum. So you can climb off your high horse. Your comments are all over the map. You started this post with a question didn't you? Well, you are actually the one complaining when someone actually wants to discuss it.

Like you ... I like to challenge those who say a lot of things that could confuse people or get them In trouble. There's also a saying ... Don't believe everything you hear on the Internet. I don't.

Why do you start a post you already have "your" answer to?

I'm done with this. Have a great evening

[Charlie_D_]

If one would open the profile of the "expert" he provides all the information I need to believe he is what he says he is.

You said:"I would guess the transmission manufacture and there engineers would have raised eyebrows knowing their fluid supplier was telling their customers don't listen to the manufactures manual. The documentation is there for a reason, a baseline to keep you on the
road".
Based upon the "experts" resume one can see that his employment of 19 years with Allison was during the years that GM owned Allison, I see no conflict there. Allison developed Transynd while being owned by GM.

[map40]

et2 wrote:

See that's a problem with forums. People like you that run around telling others to ignore or avoid the owners manuals,

I never said to ignore the manual. I simply said to ask arround and challenge the manual. Now, if you have such a problem with the people in this forum, really why are you here? We, the ones who like this forum and the people in it, won't loose much if you leave...

If anybody else is interested, Charlie D posted a really good thread on Allison trans fluid
https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24963117.cfm

[et2]

map40 wrote:

et2 wrote:
Again your throwing speculation that person is a expert. That he helped develope Transynd. That time isn't really a factor for the fluid. That supposedly it clears up the conversation here. Perhaps it's all true, everything he says.

Maybe you overlook the transmission is the biggest cost in this discussion. The fluid is the cheapest thing keeping the transmission in it's best operational condition. I would guess the transmission manufacture and there engineers would have raised eyebrows knowing their fluid supplier was telling their customers don't listen to the manufactures manual. The documentation is there for a reason, a baseline to keep you on the road.

Spending a few hundred bucks to clean things up as scheduled is nothing compared to a blown trans.

You hate loosing an argument that much? READ. The recommendation is test the oil, you may not need the change. I believe him as much as I believe the manual. Every time you change fluids you take a risk. I ask because I want information. Now, if you don't mind, stay out of this discussion so we can let it end with the link and the comment to the information.

See that's a problem with forums. People like you that run around telling others to ignore or avoid the owners manuals, that it's all a hoax and the information only enriches the oil guys ( in this case). When the end result is the health of the transmission, NOT THE TRANS OIL.

Your reading comprehension doesn't seem the best either. I do read and fully understand why the owners manuals are designed. The manuals take a lot into consideration, to protect their product. In this case the trans. Not the oil that your going on about.

When was the last time you seen a owners manual for the oil supplied when you buy a rig? Do you know why?

[map40]

et2 wrote:
Again your throwing speculation that person is a expert. That he helped develope Transynd. That time isn't really a factor for the fluid. That supposedly it clears up the conversation here. Perhaps it's all true, everything he says.

Maybe you overlook the transmission is the biggest cost in this discussion. The fluid is the cheapest thing keeping the transmission in it's best operational condition. I would guess the transmission manufacture and there engineers would have raised eyebrows knowing their fluid supplier was telling their customers don't listen to the manufactures manual. The documentation is there for a reason, a baseline to keep you on the road.

Spending a few hundred bucks to clean things up as scheduled is nothing compared to a blown trans.

You hate loosing an argument that much? READ. The recommendation is test the oil, you may not need the change. I believe him as much as I believe the manual. Every time you change fluids you take a risk. I ask because I want information. Now, if you don't mind, stay out of this discussion so we can let it end with the link and the comment to the information.

[et2]

Again your throwing speculation that person is a expert. That he helped develope Transynd. That time isn't really a factor for the fluid. That supposedly it clears up the conversation here. Perhaps it's all true, everything he says.

Maybe you overlook the transmission is the biggest cost in this discussion. The fluid is the cheapest thing keeping the transmission in it's best operational condition. I would guess the transmission manufacture and there engineers would have raised eyebrows knowing their fluid supplier was telling their customers don't listen to the manufactures manual. The documentation is there for a reason, a baseline to keep you on the road.

Spending a few hundred bucks to clean things up as scheduled is nothing compared to a blown trans.

[Charlie_D_]

map40. The link I posted was from this forum 4/2011 under Class A Motorhomes. I have saved it. The last comment on his post was 11/13/13.

[map40]

Charlie D. wrote:

JimR 1 wrote:

Charlie D. wrote:

JimR 1 wrote:
I do mine every three years using Transynd Transmission Fluid and as of two days ago the cost of materials, 5 gallons of fluid and filters, was $311.36, the filters were about $72.00 the rest was the fluid. This was from Detroit Diesel in Fresno Calif.

JimR

ps for Alfa related questions this web site is specific to that brand alfaseeya

The gentleman who developed Transynd says a full one time drain and refill-torque converter, lines etc-OR drain the pan, circulate, drain again, replace the filter and refill is all that is needed for a full change over and no future changes are needed. Oil analysis should be done on about an annual basis to check for contamination from water or glycol but it's a low probability on both. Change if water gets to over 0.2%.

When you say no future oil changes are needed, where is that source??

My source Allison says the oil needs changing on a regular schedule.

Filters every 36 months
Fluid every 48 months

I do it every 36 months both filter and fluid.

JimR

I think we can agree that there is a lot of confusion info out there. The 2018 Chev. 2500 service manual for my Allison says to change the transmission oil every 90,000 miles and spin on filter at 45,000 miles for severe service. This is for a Allision 1000.

Here is the post from this forum from the guy who helped invent Transynd.
https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24963117.cfm

AWESOME!!!!!! Sometimnes you stumble across these gems. This is certainly one to bookmark and demonstrates the incredible value of this forum. THANK YOU CHARLIE!!!!!

[map40]

et2 wrote:

map40 wrote:

et2 wrote:
I believe much of what you say is frabrication and without facts, merely opinion. Purchasing is a procurement element of a company. Not a policy or warranty implementer.

You throw out a lot of general comments that don't mean much of anything or follow any rational thought in regards to the original question that was asked. Just a bunch of straw men arguments.

That's a pretty naive comment. I witnessed negotiations in which an automaker would specify a particular tire size in exchange for a ridiculously low purchase price.
All decided by purchasing.
To your original question, why people don't just follow the manual, the answer is because some of us know how the manuals are written.

Well that about sums it up for me. I'm glad there's actual printed documents based on real life cycle testing, failure analysis and cost analysis. Easy for the person seeking a educated simple answer.

If that makes me naive, so be it. There's nothing you posted that means anything to someone that can see thru the smoke screen.

So I say it again. There's pleanty of actual documented data gathered by various methods, testing, design, and engineering principles that go into making a transmission.

So you want to tell everyone after all the money invested into design, manufacturing and testing that goes into a final product .... That the purchasing guy and the lawyers are writing the manuals. No I'm not naive ...

Here is the post from this forum from the guy who helped invent Transynd.
https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24963117.cfm

An incredible post making my point. The engineer WHO DESIGNED THE TRANSYND explained how time does not really affect the fluid. Exactly what I was saying. Some of us know how manuals are written and sometimes asking you find information to make decisions. And the engineer explained EXACTLY what I have been trying to tell you and answered the exact question I had. See, that is why we just don't follow the manuals and ask...

[et2]

map40 wrote:

et2 wrote:
I believe much of what you say is frabrication and without facts, merely opinion. Purchasing is a procurement element of a company. Not a policy or warranty implementer.

You throw out a lot of general comments that don't mean much of anything or follow any rational thought in regards to the original question that was asked. Just a bunch of straw men arguments.

That's a pretty naive comment. I witnessed negotiations in which an automaker would specify a particular tire size in exchange for a ridiculously low purchase price.
All decided by purchasing.
To your original question, why people don't just follow the manual, the answer is because some of us know how the manuals are written.

Well that about sums it up for me. I'm glad there's actual printed documents based on real life cycle testing, failure analysis and cost analysis. Easy for the person seeking a educated simple answer.

If that makes me naive, so be it. There's nothing you posted that means anything to someone that can see thru the smoke screen.

So I say it again. There's pleanty of actual documented data gathered by various methods, testing, design, and engineering principles that go into making a transmission.

So you want to tell everyone after all the money invested into design, manufacturing and testing that goes into a final product .... That the purchasing guy and the lawyers are writing the manuals. No I'm not naive ...