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New Truck Hitch Setup

Dr__Blake
Explorer
Explorer
Hi,

I setup my dual cam hitch for my last truck and it went smoothly and I was very happy with it.

I setup my hitch for my new truck yesterday. It is a 2013 GMC 3500hd diesel.

Truck weights
Front axle: 4,620
Rear axle: 3,300
Total truck: 7,920

Trailer weights
Tongue: 820
Axle: 5,100

Truck and trailer no WD
Front axle: 4,356
Rear axle: 4,180
Total truck: 8,580

Truck and trailer with WD
Front axle: 4,450
Rear axle: 4,070
Total truck: 8,470

I am using 7 links when I am hooked up.

I had a hard time getting it dialed in. The truck barely knew it was there so any adjustment had to be so minor. Plus, GM says only add back 50 percent of the weight removed from the front axle, making each adjust even more delicate.

Does this look like it will work?

Thanks!
2013 GMC 3500HD Diesel Denali
2019 Outdoors RV 28BHS
Sold - 2012 Arctic Fox 25S
Alberta Canada

2007 Toyota Tundra 5.7 CrewMax (Sold - I loved this truck)
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Dr__Blake
Explorer
Explorer
Hi John,

Thanks for taking a look and offering me what seems like very sound advice; it has been very helpful. I will adjust the WD to get the front axle weight to 50 pounds less than stock; like you suggested. I figured this would be easy with my new truck; truth be told the setup was much easier with my old half ton. This is probably because the weight transfer was more dramatic.

I will make the adjustments next weekend.

Thanks again John!
2013 GMC 3500HD Diesel Denali
2019 Outdoors RV 28BHS
Sold - 2012 Arctic Fox 25S
Alberta Canada

2007 Toyota Tundra 5.7 CrewMax (Sold - I loved this truck)

JBarca
Nomad II
Nomad II
Hi Dr Blake,

Does your manual have this chart above those words of when to use 50% and when to use 100% front axle weight restoration?

GM wrote:


I'm not trying to talk you out of using a WD hitch. I believe it is a good thing to do in your case. I myself would use one and I do even on my own truck when I use to tow my smaller camper that only had a 900# tongue weight. See here.





My receiver, truck and hitch equipment did not need a WD hitch , however I chose to use it. The ride in the truck is so much better and I do get the benefit of the anti sway control if I ever need it.

I was more questioning that you stated GM told you on your truck that when using WD you need to have 50% front end load restoration. GM does not say that, they let you sort it out.

If your truck weights are close, hitched with WD engaged and the truck only, then

Truck only weights
Front axle: 4,620
Rear axle: 3,300
Total truck: 7,920

Truck and trailer with WD engaged
Front axle: 4,450
Rear axle: 4,070
Total truck: 8,470

4,620 - 4,450 = 170# light on the front end.

Truck rear 4,070 -3,330 = 770# gained on the rear axle.

And with these

Truck and trailer no WD
Front axle: 4,356
Rear axle: 4,180
Total truck: 8,580

Trailer weights
Tongue: 820
Axle: 5,100

820/5100 = 0.16 * 100 = 16% loaded TW.

4,180 - 4,070 = 110# was only removed from the rear axle with WD.

4,620 - 4,356 = 264# removed from TV front axle with raw dead load on tow ball and no WD.

WD restored (264 - 170#) = 94# to the front axle.

Your truck unhitched has a GVW of 7,920#
Your TT GVW is 5,100 + 820 = 5,920#

The truck weighs (7,920 - 5,920#) 2000# more than the TT.

Where I am going with this is:

You have an excellent truck! It is hands down a very positive tow vehicle for your TT. The truck weighs 1 ton more mass than the TT. Your TT has 16% tongue weight. This is a very good towing combination.

If I myself was using your TT and TV I would not try adjust the WD to be at 50% front end load restoration. The WD hitch is only removing 110# of weight off the rear axle of the truck and only shifting 94 # to the front axle. (using your numbers) The WD hitch is barley working. The anti sway control will barely work with such a small load on the WD bars if that is your goal to be using it to do some good.

I'm looking at the actual weights, not the percentages. Your truck is so much more TV compared to the TT that this 50% guideline on your TV does not fit well with your present TT.

I myself would adjust the WD hitch to get close to unhitched weight on the front axle. Say 30 to 50# light. This is about as good as your going to get with anti sway control. The WD is doing about all it can do. Your camper is very well balanced and the trucking being 2000# heavier will have less tendency to be pushed around. You are within the GM guidelines. I would "not" over drive the front to be heavier than unhitched.

After looking at it this way, again this is for your truck and your TT, what reason will making 50% front end load restoration be better than close to 100%?

I understand the oversteer concerns of the current SAE recommendations, however we need to keep the entire picture in check. If other members see major oversteer concerns with this TV and TT combo at 100% FLR, please help explain it to us.

Hope this helps

John
2005 Ford F350 Super Duty, 4x4; 6.8L V10 with 4.10 RA, 21,000 GCWR, 11,000 GVWR, upgraded 2 1/2" Towbeast Receiver. Hitched with a 1,700# Reese HP WD, HP Dual Cam to a 2004 Sunline Solaris T310R travel trailer.

Dr__Blake
Explorer
Explorer
Hi John,

The scale I was using is in Canada so all the weights were in Kg, I converted all the numbers. There are two other reason the weights are off slightly; the scale is just barely long enough to get both front and rear axles on it and my son and daughter were in and out of the truck on a couple weights. I could never get the whole truck and trailer on the scale. The axle weights for the trailer are taken when it was hooked to the truck with no wd.

I was reading this from my manual:

When using a weight-distributing
hitch, measure distance (A) before
coupling the trailer to the hitch ball.
If the hitch requires 50%
distribution, measure the height
again after the trailer is coupled and
adjust the spring bars so the
distance (A) is as close as possible
to halfway between the two
measurements. When 100%
distribution is required the spring
bars should be adjusted so the
distance (A) is the same as the
initial measurement after coupling
the trailer to the tow vehicle and
adjusting the hitch.

I have heard lots of people say the new norm is to get back 50% of the weight on the front axle. At the end of the day I was trying to get the front axle back to about 50%. I want to keep using the hitch for the sway control.

Any thoughts?

Thanks for your help!
2013 GMC 3500HD Diesel Denali
2019 Outdoors RV 28BHS
Sold - 2012 Arctic Fox 25S
Alberta Canada

2007 Toyota Tundra 5.7 CrewMax (Sold - I loved this truck)

JBarca
Nomad II
Nomad II
Dr. Blake wrote:
Hi,

I setup my dual cam hitch for my last truck and it went smoothly and I was very happy with it.

I setup my hitch for my new truck yesterday. It is a 2013 GMC 3500hd diesel.

Truck weights
Front axle: 4,620
Rear axle: 3,300
Total truck: 7,920

Trailer weights
Tongue: 820
Axle: 5,100

Truck and trailer no WD
Front axle: 4,356
Rear axle: 4,180
Total truck: 8,580

Truck and trailer with WD
Front axle: 4,450
Rear axle: 4,070
Total truck: 8,470

I am using 7 links when I am hooked up.

I had a hard time getting it dialed in. The truck barely knew it was there so any adjustment had to be so minor. Plus, GM says only add back 50 percent of the weight removed from the front axle,, making each adjust even more delicate.

Does this look like it will work?

Thanks!


Hi Dr Blake,

What type of Reese WD hitch do your have? Trunnion bar or round bar

And if trunnion bar, does it have the serrated washer for adjusting head tilt, or the older type that you rotate the square washer and change holes?

Actually GM does not state on "your" 3500 truck to return the front end to 50% of load distribution. That recommendation is for a 1500 truck with a trailer GVW of 7001 to 9900 lbs. Even more odd, you can have a trailer up to 7,000# and up to a 700# TW and not need WD at all and if choose to use one then "Refer to trailer manufacturerโ€™s recommendation" for how to adjust WD on the truck.

On your 3500 truck, WD is optional all the way to max TW listed on the chart on page 9-92 of the owners manual and when setting the WD if you use it, it states "Refer to trailer manufacturerโ€™s recommendation" again

See page 9-94 of the 2013 owners manual. The one I am looking at is a 2013 Silverado, yours should be close to the same area.

I know, clear as mud and leaves us all guessing why and how they came to these recommendations. While it may not be impossible, it is not common for trailer manufacture to recommend a WD setting on different manufacturer truck. You can try can all your TT manufacture and see if they give you a recommendation. They may not give you one, but just following GM's manual...

Something is missing on the numbers you posted. They do not add up correct or I'm miss reading them. Did you miss a number or make a typo?

These weights
Truck and trailer no WD
Front axle: 4,356
Rear axle: 4,180
Total truck: 8,580

4,356 + 4180 = 8,536, do not know where 8580 came from and where is the TT axles?

And these weights
Truck and trailer with WD
Front axle: 4,450
Rear axle: 4,070
Total truck: 8,470

4,450 + 4,070 = 8,520 do not know where the 8,470 came from and and where is the TT axles?

These weights
Trailer weights
Tongue: 820
Axle: 5,100

How did you obtain them? Was the trailer by itself on 2 different scales by held up by the tongue jack?

Before I can comment on how to adjust the hitch, need to better understand how you did the weighing.

Hope this helps

John
2005 Ford F350 Super Duty, 4x4; 6.8L V10 with 4.10 RA, 21,000 GCWR, 11,000 GVWR, upgraded 2 1/2" Towbeast Receiver. Hitched with a 1,700# Reese HP WD, HP Dual Cam to a 2004 Sunline Solaris T310R travel trailer.