3000W Chinese Gensets Info.

[professor95]

professor95 wrote:
EDIT ADDED 45/5/2013- When this thread started in March of 2005, I never expected to see it survive this long or amass the quantity of information that has been shared here.

In the eight year run of this thread we have amassed almost 10,000 postings and surpassed a million views. This creates somewhat of a dilemma for anyone who has just discovered the forum.

Since the amount of information is virtually overwhelming, I suggest you set your preferences for this thread to read "newest first" and then begin to page backwards.

What you will find in these pages is a wealth of info on virtually any make or model of Chinese manufactured synchronous (non-inverter) generator in the 3,000 watt performance class. Info will include how to rewire series coils to parallel to obtain maximum wattage from a single 120 volt outlet. Tips on further reducing sound levels, how to care for these generators, which ones are "RV ready" and provide the best overall performance for the dollar invested. Which companies NOT to deal with, where the best prices are, how to safely wire the generator into a home or RV, how to check your RV for electrical faults, sources for generator accessories, which 20/30 adapters are safe to use and which are not. How to convert a gasoline generator to propane or NG. This is only the beginning. The forum has a life of its own with the focus sub-topic switching frequently. Still, the main topic of utilizing the amazing, inexpensive Chinese gensets is always there. The amount of creativity and innovation presented in these pages is indicative of the talents shared in the diverse backgrounds of the folks who make up our combined RV community.

Many of the original brands and models of Chinese gensets mentioned in the introduction and early pages of the thread have since disappeared. New EPA and CARB emissions requirements, company bonds assuring the emissions warranty will be honored even if the company goes out of business, and fierce competition in the industry have changed the playing field. Champion Power Equipment has become the apparent "trophy team" providing an ever expanding retail outlet, an ample parts supply, a strong warranty and excellent customer service. CPE has continued to improve their product and now offers a new model (#46538) with exclusive convenience, safety and performance features aimed at the RV market. Big names like Cummins/Onan, Honda and Generac all now have Chinese built open frame synchronous gensets available. Ironically, the prices often found on these gensets has not significantly changed during the past eight years - even with the devaluation of the American Dollar and new EPA/CARB requirements.

I also encourage you to use the search function and even the advanced search options to find information. Key works such as "rewiring", "PowerPro", "Champion", "Onan Homesite", "Duropower", "ETQ", "Jiung Dong or JD", "Tractor Supply", "Costco", "Lowe's" and "Home Depot" are all examples of keywords that will give you specific information on different models being sold by retailers today.

Or, you can fill your glass with your favorite beverage (keep more close by - maybe some munchies as well :D, sit back at your computer, tell your wife (or significant other) that you will see her in the morning and spend the next 10 or so hours reading through the postings.

No one on the forum gets mad if you ask a question that is a repeat. Please do not hesitate to post to the forum. All questions are considered important and those active on the forum will do their best to respond with a valid answer.

Also note we are not out to knock the Honda, Yamaha, Kipor or other brands of high end digital gensets. We recognize the quality of these products and their suitability for quite, efficient RV use. But, there is a flood of reliable, inexpensive and comparatively lower cost gensets coming out of China that are excellent alternative choices for the RVer wanting power to run an air conditioner, microwave, etc. without excessive noise or breaking the budget.

Oh, one last thing. The folks on this forum are true gentlemen. We do not flame one another or the product discussed - period. Ugly contributors usually have their comments and remarks ignored by our masses. It is not a forum to start arguments to obtain a clear win. We do disagree on many issues, but we have all agreed to do that in a respectable manner.

We now have the introduction of more and more inverter gensets. There is a rather extensive thread named "The Official Unofficial Champion 2000i Generator" on this forum. Today, I added info on the new Champion 3100i inverter genset. Discussion on this product may get moved to its own thread at a later date.

Many have looked upon this thread with distain saying Chinese is cheap and doomed to failure. I remember saying exactly the same thing about Japanese products a few decades back. But, over the past eight years the track record for Chinese built generators has shown otherwise.

Please, join us in a fascinating journey down the Chinese built genset road of knowledge.

This is the question I posted that got it all started back in March 2005.......

Randy

For a little over a month now, I have been somewhat intrigued by the availability of a 3000 watt, 6.5 HP generator at Pep Boys and Northern Tool for under $300.00. The engine on this generator looks identical to a Honda 6.5 HP OHV engine. Knowing that the Chinese have become very adept at “cloning” reputable technologies from other manufacturers, I was not surprised at the similarities. Neither store could give me any information on the generator nor did they have a “running” display model.

I have done a little research. This is what I have discovered:

Many of these generators are imported by ELIM International (www.eliminternational.com) out of Buffalo, New York from Jiung Manufacturing in China. (The unit at Northern is identical but carries the JIUNG name.)

The engines are indeed a Chinese knockoff of the popular 6.5 HP 196cc Honda Engine. “Supposedly” Honda has licensed the engine technology to the Chinese manufacturer of the product.

The Chinese company that makes the ELM3000 generators is a rather large, diverse, long-standing company with a reputation for “above average quality” Chinese made products (Jiung Manufacturing). There are many more Chinese companies making almost identical gensets.

The generators at PepBoys do have a six month limited warranty. But, it is only on the engine (not the generator) and requires paying for shipping to and from Buffalo. Probably not a very practical thing to do if you have warranty issues.

ELIM does supply replacement parts (a PDF parts manual is available on the ELIM web site). No prices are given for replacement parts nor is there an “availability listing”.

The generator head itself is a brushless design. The only really significant wear parts in the generator are the bearings – most likely universally available.

The published dB rating is 67 at 23 feet. This is “reasonably” quite for a generator of this size as most comparabl.... The 67 dB rating is the same as Honda gives their 3000 watt CycloInverter with a “look alike” eng...

[professor95]

Wgeorge11 wrote:
Ergo, consider the "lid" a normally closed dump valve which you may leave open with a grey water hookup.

Pumpkin' pie is all over my face. First the "Boily" and now the "lid".

Sorry, my friend, I assumed the lid you were asking about was the one on the top of the potty.

[Old___Slow]

iwon415 wrote:
I'm curious, how come they allow this to go on for so long and so many pages? Doesn't it gum up the works some how? Does anyone actually get any use out of the long outdated early info?

TimH

Tim ma man:

Welcome to 3000W Chinese Gensets info, some of us old cats have been resurrected by curiosity. Hopefully you will fine what you are looking for by sticking around and checking us out.

[iwon415]

I'm curious, how come they allow this to go on for so long and so many pages? Doesn't it gum up the works some how? Does anyone actually get any use out of the long outdated early info?

TimH

[Old___Slow]

Old & Slow wrote:
Bill:

Hope I don't leave the impression Old & Slow is a pioneer in Genset box building, however, several different styles and types have been constructed. You leave the notion much though has been given to this subject. One box I used 1/2" MDF for the basic material. Inside several types of sound suppression material was tried. One, Sound and Heat insulation from Pepboys. That style was scraped.

When I purchased the DP3500EC it came with 6 2" Styrofoam sheets covering the entire genset from the factory. The thought came to mind, just apply 1/4" hardboard available at HD in 2' x 4' panels. Being on the cheap, this idea has worked vary well. this info' is not in anyway suggesting my idea is the greatest. You have come up with a pretty good plan of your own. What makes this thread so interesting, IMO, is the fact we all share what we have experienced or share a theory. Each person coming along behind us hopefully will profit from our trial and ERRORS and as Wgeorge says, a few smoking wires. What has been most helpful to me are the folks who leave a link to more info' or product availability. Professor95 gave the link to the Trunk Lid Solenoid, the answer for the need of this item that is basic to the Electro-Choke. Can't have Remote Control without this little (Prof95) bugger.

Bill, we will wait for your future contribution for what I will call "The Best and most silent 3000W Genset to date". Professor95 your last creation only lacks remote control. I'm thinking to my self, yeh, he has that in his bag somewhere. I'll wait for that Post.:B

Floyd
O&S

Just a continuation.

The thought comes to mind. We are in the times now, of the past days
of MITS. As for myself ever being included in the history of Chinese genset retro's, I have serious doubts. In the past year we have folks like "jauguston" and "lleopold" "Professor95" and others who are in the top ranks of the Sound Box. They are our fearless leaders. Others are Compartment retro fitters. Bobandcats, dandreas611 and now blkfe. What is so interesting, now and then a new poster shows up with their new model. Professor95 states, he is sure from his PM's, many are reading but not yet contributing. So the "Show and Tell" goes on. We all look forward to new posters.

[Old___Slow]

MrWizard wrote:

But, you might be interested to know I can empty all three of my holding tanks with my added macerator pump which I can turn on or off using the RF remote (blue) for my Dish Network 522 DVR receiver without leaving the comfort of my Lazy Boy recliner.

and how did you make that little discovery, was it a 'happy moment' ?

This only gets worse,

Now MrWiward, I would never thought this of you.:W

[RoadAce1]

A wise choice. I have the YG2800i and this thing has not failed me yet. We run everything in the RV off it, even the A/C and Micro at the same time. When not Rving we use it as a back up for the home. Recently lost power for almost 12 hours, we had heat,lights both PC's and most important coffee. I used a Conn. electric 6 circuit transfer switch. The only thing was that I had to tie two wires (red and black) together to feed both sides of the transfer box. This thing is fairly light and the sound is not to bad either.

22geno wrote:
Glad to see we are back on Gen sets. Well I have decided against the Boliy and am going with the 2800 Yammy. Shure wish there was more of you out there that had the Boliy so I could get some input. Am I doing the rite thing???
Geno

[MrWizard]

But, you might be interested to know I can empty all three of my holding tanks with my added macerator pump which I can turn on or off using the RF remote (blue) for my Dish Network 522 DVR receiver without leaving the comfort of my Lazy Boy recliner.

and how did you make that little discovery, was it a 'happy moment' ?

[Wgeorge11]

Prof, with your talent you don't have to kid.

I was just trying to visualize you boondocking and dumping three tanks somewhere??? Understand, my vision is impaired due to anal optical myopia (a $hitie outlook) and being a gravity fed two tank man I sometimes fail to recognize peripherals. Ergo, consider the "lid" a normally closed dump valve which you may leave open with a grey water hookup.

[Old___Slow]

Wgeorge11 wrote:
I know it can go uphill with the macerator, but which button do you push to lift the lid?

Mr. George Hauck:

You sir, are are a world beater....my whole house is shacking, the sound of laughter is bigger than TEXAS:B

ME
O&S

I had to come back after this posted to say the hummer had to do with Wgeorge11 not our famous Prof95

[blkfe]

professor95 wrote:

22geno wrote:
Well I have decided against the Boliy and am going with the 2800 Yammy

I know what a 2800 Yammy is, but what the heck is a Boliy?

Boliy generator from the Kipor Guy:
http://www.kiporguy.com/Kipor_generators.html

[professor95]

22geno wrote:
Well I have decided against the Boliy and am going with the 2800 Yammy

I know what a 2800 Yammy is, but what the heck is a Boliy?

[professor95]

Wgeorge11 wrote:
know it can go uphill with the macerator, but which button do you push to lift the lid?

You guys think I am kidding. I'm not.....

I really can start or stop the macheator pump on my RV with a Dish Network RF remote control. I just programed a RF switch to respond to a frequency and code from the Dish Network RF remote. Why? Well, when the pump is connected gray water will not drain via gravity. Thus, you need to run the pump to drain the gray tanks. I usually remember this task when the wife yells that the shower drain is backing up. Thus, rather than disrupting my comfort, I press AUX on the Dish RF remote and then the on/off button. Problem gone!

[Wgeorge11]

I know it can go uphill with the macerator, but which button do you push to lift the lid?

[22geno]

Glad to see we are back on Gen sets. Well I have decided against the Boliy and am going with the 2800 Yammy. Shure wish there was more of you out there that had the Boliy so I could get some input. Am I doing the rite thing???
Geno

[Old___Slow]

professor95 wrote:

Old & Slow wrote:
Professor95:

To revisit the subject of your gensets converted to LPG. Everyone one on this thread knows by now the old man will challenge the young Professor, at times. I have tried to do a Wgeorge 5 minute thing (he might give it to us again) and stay silent on the LPG subject. I tend to get lost in the woods, at times, with your explanations. At my age there is some loss of BP. Anyway, after rereading on this subject from the US Carb website, I will give you the benefit of my doubt that there is no noticeable different in Power Out Put Gas vs LPG. That being said, maybe I can move forward toward considering your LPG retro-fitted 40008. Removing the fuel tank is necessary for a enclosure like the last one you posted. Either a remote fuel tank or LPG is the issue at hand. Just one question. Do you find close to the same power output in using the various items in the TT with the 40008? Maybe you have a meter that could give us the total amps available? What put me back on this idea is a statement on US Carb "Does not give off noxious fumes" Less CO also?

Floyd
O&S

Floyd,
At some time in the past, I became acquainted with the phrase, "The proof is in the pudding". When questioned by doubting Thomas' as to the results of a project or experiment I may describe, I often quote the old puddin' phrase as a response.

The thing runs the whole house (RV) as well as it did when using gasoline as fuel. The puddin' is very good. That's all I need to know.

As for a RF remote control, I see no future in reinventing the wheel. The one US Carb sells has all the needed features and costs less than the sum of the individual parts I would need to build one. But, I don't have one because I have no need for a RF remote. A hard wired secondary control to the inside of the camper provides all the control I want or need for the genset.

But, you might be interested to know I can empty all three of my holding tanks with my added macerator pump which I can turn on or off using the RF remote (blue) for my Dish Network 522 DVR receiver without leaving the comfort of my Lazy Boy recliner.

Prof,

I like it. This is better than TV. See you did have RC and a Lazy Boy too;). About the old man and the young Prof, kindness will get you everywhere you want to go! Puddin' No more questions, taday.:D