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Class A electrical system setup - no dealer guidance

obiwancanoli
Explorer
Explorer
When I bought my first RV, a Class A Diesel MH, I received no guidance or instruction on using, setting up, or understanding the meters and display for setting up the electrical system. While I did receive manuals for various systems, real-life application and understanding just didn't relate well, and I simply had to guess, or ignore things I still did not understand.

I'm speaking of the solar & internal systems set up controls, housed (in my rig) behind a cabinet door at the front of my RV.

A recent power outage forced me to stay the night in my rig, and though it was not plugged in to power, the batteries, charged during the day by 480 watts of solar, generating about 26A, appeared to have enough voltage, at 14.2V, to easily last through the night. They did not.

Sometime in the night, about 4 hours later, the internal power shut down, the only things requiring power being the microwave display, and the clock radio in the bedroom, both of which went black. Checking the display up front, the meter read 11.6V, the red "fault" light was on, and the inverter would not come back on. Fired up the generator, and soon noted the meter showed 12.2-12.4V and rising.

As the manual isn't well written (IMO), I could only surmise the system setup included a setting that automatically shuts down power, to save the batteries, when voltage sinks to a given level. But there are other settings, the nature of which remain foreign to me, which likely also have some bearing on what happens, how, and when. And I'm baffled as to how they relate, and what my needs would require, when it comes to adjusting the settings properly.

A recent suspicion had been that my batteries don't seem to be lasting as long as they ought to, for it seems to me that they should easily provide power throughout the night, with such minimal amperage needs as noted above. Because I had recently neglected monitoring them, the batteries, while not completely dry, were damp, and all cells needed fresh distilled water. A month later, i had them checked, and the service tech noted they are in good shape. I still have suspicions that the batteries are not, as I was informed, in good condition (my rig is a 2017, bought off a dealer at the end of the 2017 calendar year, original batteries).

I remain baffled by the system, ignorant of proper setup, having had much frustration in managing it, and setting it up properly, so that it works as well as it is designed to do. The manual is less than clear to me, and I feel like I need a knowledgeable experienced tech to walk me through each step, setting, and consequence, impractical though that may be.

I'm not sure the help I need can be found here, but needed to vent, with perhaps a small hope someone might offer perspective, if not guidance, on how to proceed.

Thanks!
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Big_Katuna
Explorer II
Explorer II
The only way to know if your batteries are good is to check the specific gravity with a hydrometer OR do a load test with a load box so you know the amp draw. Charge them up and measure each battery.

If they have been dry a few times they might be shot. They might be equalized to repair them.
My Kharma ran over my Dogma.

BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
"My rig is a 2017 Newmar Ventana LE.

My understanding was that if I needed to run ANYTHING - i.e., my lights, tv, clock radio, microwave display - that the inverter needed to be "on"... the fridge does run on propane when not plugged into shore power, as does the WH."

You first need to identify which things are 120v and which are 12v. Also note the fridge and some other things that have temperature controls, need 12v to run the controls even when the appliance is on 120v. The 12v things will work even with no inverter (which is just another 12v thing)

Next identify which 120v things are on inverter. Your microwave and clock are for sure as noted in the OP. The fridge will stay on 120v unless you force it to be on propane if any 120v is available. The WH is on 120v or propane by manually switching.

You have a transfer switch between shore power and generator, but also one in the inverter so it will power things with no shore power or gen supply. Not everything will operate from the inverter (air conditioner won't) but the fridge and WH could well be wired to do so, and that would run the batteries down quickly as described in the OP.

I gather the power has been turned off in parts of your area due to the fires, so you need to learn how your rig works. Hope you are in a safe spot.
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
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2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
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PatJ
Explorer II
Explorer II
In my rig, my inverter runs one circuit (a few specific outlets and the TV/blue ray.) One thing I learned the hard way (similar to how you learned it) is that also on that circuit is the fridge 120v outlet outside in the refer compartment. So if I run the inverter while the fridge is in auto, it will silently switch to AC mode which sucks my pair of batteries low enough to sound the inverter alarm before the movie your watching is over.

Might be your issue, worth checking. I now force the fridge to stay in gas anytime we are without hookups so I don't make this mistake again. Would be worth checking the water heater too. Things that take a lot of power but you may not notice are running.
Patrick

obiwancanoli
Explorer
Explorer
DutchmenSport wrote:
You did not say what brand/model/year your camper is, nor what kind of solar system you have. However, YouTube has everything.

A very simple search on YouTube.com for "electrical systems in RVs" returned this: Click here

Refine the search in YouTube use the hourglass by putting in your make-model-year of RV, pertinent info regarding anything you may know about the electric system, solar panels, anything, and you'll get more videos than you can imagine that will walk you through absolutely everything. Weed past the obvious not related videos, and some you watch may not have relevance at all. But, YouTube is your friend.


RV noted in last post. My solar system is 3-160 Watt Zamp Solar panels, generating 8.7 Amps each

obiwancanoli
Explorer
Explorer
BFL13 wrote:
Seems you were running on inverter for your 120v needs and that ran the batteries down enough so the inverter shut down. There would still be enough battery to run the usual 12v things -lights, fans, etc.

When off-grid, you need to "power manage" what the inverter is running so the batteries can keep up. Put the fridge on propane, WH on propane, limit use of 120v appliances. When not watching it, unplug the TV set, don't just turn it "off", which leaves it on. All kinds of tricks to get by longer before you need to recharge the batteries.

At some stage you do need to recharge them, no big deal, but best if they can be done during the day instead of at 3am! ๐Ÿ™‚


My rig is a 2017 Newmar Ventana LE.

My understanding was that if I needed to run ANYTHING - i.e., my lights, tv, clock radio, microwave display - that the inverter needed to be "on"... the fridge does run on propane when not plugged into shore power, as does the WH.

BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
Seems you were running on inverter for your 120v needs and that ran the batteries down enough so the inverter shut down. There would still be enough battery to run the usual 12v things -lights, fans, etc.

When off-grid, you need to "power manage" what the inverter is running so the batteries can keep up. Put the fridge on propane, WH on propane, limit use of 120v appliances. When not watching it, unplug the TV set, don't just turn it "off", which leaves it on. All kinds of tricks to get by longer before you need to recharge the batteries.

At some stage you do need to recharge them, no big deal, but best if they can be done during the day instead of at 3am! ๐Ÿ™‚
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
Photo in Profile
2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
See Profile for Electronic set-ups for 1. and 2.

DutchmenSport
Explorer
Explorer
You did not say what brand/model/year your camper is, nor what kind of solar system you have. However, YouTube has everything.

A very simple search on YouTube.com for "electrical systems in RVs" returned this: Click here

Refine the search in YouTube use the hourglass by putting in your make-model-year of RV, pertinent info regarding anything you may know about the electric system, solar panels, anything, and you'll get more videos than you can imagine that will walk you through absolutely everything. Weed past the obvious not related videos, and some you watch may not have relevance at all. But, YouTube is your friend.