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Need help with finding first camper to purchase

Bigjewpapa
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Hello guys and gals first post here. I have always wanted to get a travel trailer and now that I finally have the funds IM READY !! I'm looking for something small that is easy to tow. 4 seasons , so we can travel to Utah and Colorado to snowboard. Also something that has a toilet and shower so we don't need a hotel. Also I'm looking for something that sleeps 4, so I can bring some friends

Only problem is there are so many brands and types that the research has gotten my head spinning lol

I went to camping world this weekend and some other RV sales places , but just don't know what to believe.

2017 starcraft ar one 15rb this is one they are selling for 11,968, and hopefully can be talked down. I like that it's brand new and comes with 2 year warranty. Bad news is most of the reviews are about how bad AC is.

http://www.scottsdalerv.com/m_vehicledetail.asp?pov=4644733

This is a jayco I went and saw got it down to 10,000, but also can't find much info on.

I also like the forest rpod but the one I was looking at was sold.


Please let me know what you recommend or if you have any knowledge to pass to me that I should know I'm looking to spend around 10,000-12000 .


PLEASE HELP
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ng2951
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Buying used also saves a lot of money. A camper just a few months old will lose 10-20 percent of its sale value.

Buying new or used has its pitfalls. In the used category leaks are a big issue and its impact changes with the type of construction.

The "tin and wood" construction is cheap and heavy. It is also the most sensitive to water leaks. It is also a lot cheaper to fix than composite bonded structures that are both light and expensive.

Water rots wood quickly. In tin and wood trailers it is not always easy to detect. Water might travel a considerable distance from the source to where it may pool. Fixing any leak and the damage can be extensive, but at least for tin and would the skills required are not extreme or that special. Chances are if you repair them yourself, both the materials and repair will be of better quality than the original build.

Detecting such damage can be done with your Mark I nose (you can sometimes smell the rot) and pressure from your hand or foot. Pay attention to surfaces below doors, windows, and other penetrations. You foot may detect a sag. Be sure to walk the roof and check for sags or signs the chalking was not kept up with. Check the decals. Decals can indicate damage.

If you can get dealerships to compete for your business you can save a lot. For any used TT you consider get the wholesale value of the trailer with whatever optional equipment was installed. As you approach that number with the salesman, you are getting about as low as they will go.

When someone buys a new trailer and has an old one for tradein the wholesale value is just about as much as the dealership will sell the unit for. Actually they can sell it it is less than that because they are offsetting possibly buying the used unit for too much in the price of the new unit. Still it is important to know that number so you know who is giving you a deal and who is not.

I agree with the other posters here. The manufacturers will say their unit sleeps X. My old Trailmanor was rated at 5, but with 2 the other three better be gnomes.

I had my daughter and my grandson stay with us once in FL so we had 4 in the Trailmanor (TM). The only reason we got along without killing each other at night is that I was married to the one in the bed with me!

What I am saying is if you think you are going to inside the unit more than outside take a good look at the living space. You have a bed to setup every night, and when you set it up you are going to lose table space.

There is no reason 4 people cannot stay in that unit, but you need to be aware just how tight it may be at night.
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kknowlton
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Ditto with those who are asking what you plan to tow this camper with. That makes a huge difference as to what advice we can give.
Also x2 on "don't listen to RV salespeople." Some of them don't have a clue what they are talking about and some of them are just downright dishonest. Even the relatively honest ones may be lacking knowledge about your specific situation. And x2 on those who have pointed out that a hybrid is not what you want for winter camping - tents just don't hold heat in well.

I also agree that you need to know what will be available where you plan to camp for snowboarding. That refers not just to bathrooms but also to electric hookups (and how many amps), water availability, sewer hookups, and a place to get your propane tanks refilled, because camping in the winter will suck down a lot of propane in a huge hurry. We lived in our trailer (not a hybrid) for 10 days in late March/early April one year, with overnight temps below freezing and daytime temps ranging from 45 to 65, and went through 1 1/2 30-lb propane tanks in that time. We ran completely out of gas on a Sunday and our usual propane sources weren't open, so we had to buy a 20-lb tank at a hardware store and hook that up for a while. Fortunately we were familiar with the area and knew where to go. You will need to do some research ahead of time.

A word about sleeping 4 or more friends. Campers usually have a queen-size (sometimes double) bed for 2 adults, often not quite long enough for 6-footers unless they like to sleep in fetal position. The other "beds" will consist of the dinette and some form of couch, either a futon-like affair or sometimes a foldout couch. The foldout may sleep a couple adults; the futon and the dinette will not. In fact, the dinette won't be long enough for a 5'4" adult to sleep on unless they are sleeping diagonally, with no one sharing the bed with them. Bear this in mind. Campers with multiple beds are designed for families: i.e. parents and children.
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JAC1982
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Since you want to come ski, I'd also research where you can even park your camper in the winter in the ski areas. In my experience, many of the ones close to where you can ski, aren't actually open in the winter, and if they are, aren't maintained so it might be difficult to get to them.
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ng2951
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One that small is going to be a crash pad for 4 people. All the RV manufacturers overrate the number of people who can sleep in their product.

RVs are mostly 'thin skinned' so if it is cold outside chances are so will the inside of the RV. A small electric heater helps if you have access to shore power.

You are going to need to install a heater on the water tanks and maybe a skirt. The tanks on most RVs are not insulated and in cold weather are prone to freeze. Bad as that may be for the fresh water to freeze, gray and blackwater tanks could freeze as well.

You might spend a few hundred dollars adding this equipment, but I doubt that will help if the temps start hitting the low single digits.

The unit also does not have a gas oven. So unless you are somewhere with electic power you are not going to be able to use the microwave.

The good news is that 1KW genset will probably run almost everything in the trailer.

My advice is to check with your snowboarding friends that have TT and see what they have or are doing.
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SoundGuy
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Bigjewpapa wrote:
I'm looking for something small that is easy to tow. 4 seasons , so we can travel to Utah and Colorado to snowboard. Also something that has a toilet and shower so we don't need a hotel. Also I'm looking for something that sleeps 4, so I can bring some friends.

Please let me know what you recommend or if you have any knowledge to pass to me that I should know I'm looking to spend around 10,000-12000 .


Not asking for much, are you? :R

First, no trailer is truly "4 season" and sure, while some do use their rigs during the depths of winter it's not without adaptation to the conditions, particularly a small, lightweight model in the price range you're talking about which will have minimal everything, including insulation and likely no enclosed underbelly. As for sleeping 4 in a tiny 15' trailer - good luck with that, they'd better be awfully good friends. :W Your price is awfully minimal for a new trailer, particularly since you haven't mentioned how much you intend to allow for the cost of additional necessary items such as weight distribution, sway control, brake controller, trailer setup items, etc, etc, etc. Finally, what's your tow vehicle? No point selecting a trailer you may not be able to safely tow, particularly during winter driving conditions.
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jfkmk
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We have the slightly larger AR-One 17RD and have had zero issues in 5 years. It's entry level, but has everything we need. However, it is NOT a 4 season camper. We have camped where it was in the lower 20s at night, but I'm sure we sucked down quite a bit of propane keeping it warm.
You may want to consider a used unit for what you want to spend. RVS lose valuh e rather quickly.