Truck GVWR vs camper

[ironhorsejs]

Alright got a question on if the camper im looking at will be safe to tow. Here's the specs 2008 XL F250 Supercrew 4x4 shortbox Diesel 6.4 158 WB with Camper package 10k GVWR, Front axle GAWR 6000 Rear GAWR 6100. Load range E tires 3150 Max at 80 PSI. I am looking at the Artic fox 2015 811 model. AF says the Dry weight of this camper is 2873 I know the f250/f350 models are basically identical is this too much camper for this truck? any thoughts?

Thanks
Jeremy

[ironhorsejs]

sky_free wrote:

ironhorsejs wrote:
So tires and rims for sure. And we have Springworks up where I live that's all they do is custom spring work.. Question on the springs though. The unit im looking at is 2874 Dry weight with gen and water/gear most likely 3200-4000max but definatly now any where near 4500 pounds if the springs are rated for 6K weight I still have some room to grow right? maybe add airbags to help ride? the springs only really have the weight of the bed as it sits on the driveway. is there really any need for springwork to be done?

Arctic Fox's run about 1,000 over the listed dry weight once you add options. There has been lots of discussion about that and the "Fox Value Package" which is mandatory and adds 500 lbs. The A/C and other common options add another 500lbs. Add 51 gallons of fresh water and you are at 4,374 lbs. Most people carry stuff in their TC's like food and clothes, so add another 300 lbs for that, for a grand total of 4,674 lbs. This number matches up well with actual scale weight reports from this site. I'm not trying to discourage you, but you should know what you are getting into.

Yes the weights can get up there. Million dollar question is do I need to upgrade pickups? I basically have an f350 already.. So some basic mods tires/rims and some suspension help and I should be fine. If I have to register it for a higher weight ill do that. Only step I see that could be next is go to an f350 Dually. Am I wrong here?

[K_Mac]

No state I know will... When I was a TC newbie I went to N.Y.S. Dept. of Motor Vehicles, filled out a new reg. form and increased my GVWR to 13k from I believe ( 08 F350 SRW 6.4L 158" WB) 11,300 lb. with NO questions asked, the lady did tell me I would be paying more $ by doing so. Then again our DMV requires vehicles weighing more than 5500k to be registered commercially. Now, I can fill out another form MV-114 (7/11) and, add, in my case a 2980 lb.(dry) TC, and like magic I am now a passenger vehicle, go figure. K

[K_Mac]

lawrosa wrote:

I can go to DMV and register my truck, LEGALLY, for a weight higher than what the door sticker says. As long as I'm within my registered weight, then I won't get an overweight ticket.

No state I know will allow you to register a pick up higher then the GVWR on the door tag. You can register at a lower to save money on states that charge by GVW of vehicle.

If you can modify and prove an increase in GVWR and get your door tag changed, and registration I would like to see that...





*The weight class of the vehicle is determined by information contained in the manufacturer's statement of origin / Title(If not defined here, the following resources will be used):

The application for renewal of registration
The Branham Reference Book
MVC's weight class manual


If the manufacturer's shipping weight is disputable or unavailable, the applicant may be required to have the car weighed on a certified scale under Title 39:3-8. This weight will be considered the manufacturer's shipping weight.


Non-commercial trucks
The fee is based on the vehicle's gross weight.

Customer should be advised to have weight on the title corrected by contacting:

Motor Vehicle Commission
P.O. Box 141
225 East State Street
Trenton, New Jersey 08666-0141

[sky_free]

ironhorsejs wrote:
So tires and rims for sure. And we have Springworks up where I live that's all they do is custom spring work.. Question on the springs though. The unit im looking at is 2874 Dry weight with gen and water/gear most likely 3200-4000max but definatly now any where near 4500 pounds if the springs are rated for 6K weight I still have some room to grow right? maybe add airbags to help ride? the springs only really have the weight of the bed as it sits on the driveway. is there really any need for springwork to be done?

Arctic Fox's run about 1,000 over the listed dry weight once you add options. There has been lots of discussion about that and the "Fox Value Package" which is mandatory and adds 500 lbs. The A/C and other common options add another 500lbs. Add 51 gallons of fresh water and you are at 4,374 lbs. Most people carry stuff in their TC's like food and clothes, so add another 300 lbs for that, for a grand total of 4,674 lbs. This number matches up well with actual scale weight reports from this site. I'm not trying to discourage you, but you should know what you are getting into.

[Less_Stuff]

lawrosa wrote:

No state I know will allow you to register a pick up higher then the GVWR on the door tag."

Now you know of at least one: Washington.

My 9200 GVWR 2003 Chevy was Licensed originally by the dealer and me the next eleven years for 10,000 pounds.
It's normal loaded weight was 800 pounds over it's 9200 GVWR.
Though only one time did I weigh it at 10080, some 80 pounds over it's licensed weight.

Worked fine for 11 years
Yet when I started letting my daughter and her family use it I started worrying about the overloading.
Then sold the truck and camper separately and do not recommend overloading.

[lawrosa]

languiduck wrote:

lawrosa wrote:


No state I know will allow you to register a pick up higher then the GVWR on the door tag.

I'm not going to go 'round and 'round on this any more, I can say with 100% certainty that I could go in to VA DMV and register my pickup for a higher GVWR than what's on my door. They couldn't care less, they get more money out of me that way. The GVWR on my title will remain the same but my registration will be whatever I tell them I want to pay for.

Sure in VA its registererd per GW of unladen vehicle. Up to 7500 lbs..

What happens after 7500 lbs? And I would could be sure if I poke around you cannot register above GVWR on the tag on the door..


Im just trying to make a point here is all. I enjoy all the facts we can get on this matter because other then commercial thats laid out clearly, passenger vehicle is lacking with info.

http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv201.pdf

[ironhorsejs]

lawrosa wrote:
http://www.drivetrainshop.com/Ford_10_25_10_5_s/97.htm

But no weight rating is specified....

Bedlam posted the wiki for the axle lawrosa in previous posts ill repost it.. Thanks for the link Bedlam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_axle_weight_rating

[languiduck]

lawrosa wrote:


No state I know will allow you to register a pick up higher then the GVWR on the door tag.

I'm not going to go 'round and 'round on this any more, I can say with 100% certainty that I could go in to VA DMV and register my pickup for a higher GVWR than what's on my door. They couldn't care less, they get more money out of me that way. The GVWR on my title will remain the same but my registration will be whatever I tell them I want to pay for.

[ironhorsejs]

lawrosa wrote:
http://www.drivetrainshop.com/Ford_10_25_10_5_s/97.htm

But no weight rating is specified....

True enough not much on the web about it.

[lawrosa]

http://www.drivetrainshop.com/Ford_10_25_10_5_s/97.htm

But no weight rating is specified....

[ironhorsejs]

ironhorsejs wrote:

lawrosa wrote:

V-469k

V for vandyke plant
K for the revision
469 is the model #.. I find no info..

Can you link something?

I just strait googled it.

http://www.drivetrainshop.com/Ford_10_25_10_5_s/97.htm

[ironhorsejs]

lawrosa wrote:

V-469k

V for vandyke plant
K for the revision
469 is the model #.. I find no info..

Can you link something?

I just strait googled it.

[lawrosa]

V-469k

V for vandyke plant
K for the revision
469 is the model #.. I find no info..

Can you link something?

[ironhorsejs]

Bedlam wrote:

ironhorsejs wrote:
So tires and rims for sure. And we have Springworks up where I live that's all they do is custom spring work.. Question on the springs though. The unit im looking at is 2874 Dry weight with gen and water/gear most likely 3200-4000max but definatly now any where near 4500 pounds if the springs are rated for 6K weight I still have some room to grow right? maybe add airbags to help ride? the springs only really have the weight of the bed as it sits on the driveway. is there really any need for springwork to be done?

Since you already have the upper overload springs that are part of the camper package, plan on using devices that will engage them sooner so the truck does not have to sag 3" before engagement. If you still need more support, add devices to the lower overload spring to do the same. These device can be built by you or purchased from companies like Torklift. I doubt you will need airbags unless you tow heavy or your camper is heavier on one side requiring some form of equalization to level left to right.

engage sooner to help.. ok I get it. I have a 30 foot camper I pull now hitch weight of 834 pounds about and it barely starts to touch that main overload.