Big Country 3070RE vs Silverback 29IK

[JCGibson]

Hello Forum,

We have recently sold our toyhauler and are looking to get back into a traditional FW. We have narrowed it down to the Big Country 3070RE and Silverback 29IK. We would like to hear from respective owners with pros/likes and cons/dislikes about these models. Thanks!

John & Cheryl

[clydengail]

I have 2011 Silverback 29RE and have been very pleased with it.

[FlatBroke]

Prior trailer was a rear entertainment. Could not figure out why more folks didn't order one. Sorry to say its the last floor plan I would consider now.

[kakampers]

goducks10 wrote:

kakampers wrote:

JCGibson wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
Silver Creek is a hung type wall where as the BC is laminated or vacuum bonded.
BC has a 2 yr warranty and is rated for full timing. Not sure on the SC.

What is the 2yr warranty for? I believe the bumper to bumper is only 1 year from everything I have read (our previous Big Horn was), although I know it is rated for fulltiming. If it is 2 year that would be a definite plus.

Only Heartland Landmark has a two year warranty....everything else is one year.

1. WHAT IS COVERED
Heartland RV provides to the original retail purchaser who purchases the unit from an authorized dealer and who uses the vehicle for private single family recreational travel, camping and seasonal usage a one (1) year warranty under normal use against defects in material and/or workmanship in the construction of the vehicle and its original components. "Defect" means the failure of the unit and/or the materials used to assemble the unit to conform to Heartland’s design and manufacturing specifications and tolerances. Any product used for a commercial or business purpose, including, not limited to, rental, charter, or for other fees for service, or as a residence is excluded from this Limited Warranty. (This residential limitation shall not apply to Land Mark, Big Horn and Big Country brands.) This Limited Warranty is intended for the original retail owner and is non-transferable.

So the BC, BH and Landmark are rated full time, but the Landmark is the only one with a 2yr warranty?

Exactly...

[goducks10]

kakampers wrote:

JCGibson wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
Silver Creek is a hung type wall where as the BC is laminated or vacuum bonded.
BC has a 2 yr warranty and is rated for full timing. Not sure on the SC.

What is the 2yr warranty for? I believe the bumper to bumper is only 1 year from everything I have read (our previous Big Horn was), although I know it is rated for fulltiming. If it is 2 year that would be a definite plus.

Only Heartland Landmark has a two year warranty....everything else is one year.

1. WHAT IS COVERED
Heartland RV provides to the original retail purchaser who purchases the unit from an authorized dealer and who uses the vehicle for private single family recreational travel, camping and seasonal usage a one (1) year warranty under normal use against defects in material and/or workmanship in the construction of the vehicle and its original components. "Defect" means the failure of the unit and/or the materials used to assemble the unit to conform to Heartland’s design and manufacturing specifications and tolerances. Any product used for a commercial or business purpose, including, not limited to, rental, charter, or for other fees for service, or as a residence is excluded from this Limited Warranty. (This residential limitation shall not apply to Land Mark, Big Horn and Big Country brands.) This Limited Warranty is intended for the original retail owner and is non-transferable.

So the BC, BH and Landmark are rated full time, but the Landmark is the only one with a 2yr warranty?

[kakampers]

JCGibson wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
Silver Creek is a hung type wall where as the BC is laminated or vacuum bonded.
BC has a 2 yr warranty and is rated for full timing. Not sure on the SC.

What is the 2yr warranty for? I believe the bumper to bumper is only 1 year from everything I have read (our previous Big Horn was), although I know it is rated for fulltiming. If it is 2 year that would be a definite plus.

Only Heartland Landmark has a two year warranty....everything else is one year.

[JCGibson]

Is there anyone that actually has one of these models? Would really like to hear from an owner's real experiences with them.

[JCGibson]

goducks10 wrote:
Silver Creek is a hung type wall where as the BC is laminated or vacuum bonded.
BC has a 2 yr warranty and is rated for full timing. Not sure on the SC.

What is the 2yr warranty for? I believe the bumper to bumper is only 1 year from everything I have read (our previous Big Horn was), although I know it is rated for fulltiming. If it is 2 year that would be a definite plus.

[JCGibson]

Me Again wrote:
Both of those models look like sore neck TV viewing angles. I just do not understand the rear entertainment set up with seating on two sides of the TV. I want theater seating that looks straight at the TV. Silver Back 33RL or Big Country 315RL both have this!!!! Sit in them and pretend that you are watching a two hour movie. TV on the rear may look great walking in, however is that how you want to watch TV?

Chris

Thanks for your input. We have chosen both of these models because they are under 35' and we had a 2009 Big Horn 3400RE that had the rear entertainment center. We enjoyed the layout.

[goducks10]

Silver Creek is a hung type wall where as the BC is laminated or vacuum bonded.
BC has a 2 yr warranty and is rated for full timing. Not sure on the SC.

[Me_Again]

Both of those models look like sore neck TV viewing angles. I just do not understand the rear entertainment set up with seating on two sides of the TV. I want theater seating that looks straight at the TV. Silver Back 33RL or Big Country 315RL both have this!!!! Sit in them and pretend that you are watching a two hour movie. TV on the rear may look great walking in, however is that how you want to watch TV?

Chris

[msredneck84]

Good info....one correction....Heartland introduced their first coach, the Landmark, in late 2004...for model year 2005. They have been in business for 9 years...

Correct!

[kakampers]

fordsooperdooty wrote:
Big County is a Heartland RV which has moved to being the 4th best selling 5er company even tho Heartland has only been around for 4 years! When they started, several guys from other RV companies canme over to Heartland and hit the ground running. Innovative floor plans and unique building technics made customers sit up and buy! And customer service was supurb! Thor owns Heartland...and usually screws up the companies they buy...but Heartland was allowed to run as a competely seperate division and is one of the best.

The Silverback is Forest River product, the 2nd largest RV manufacturer and owned by Billionare Warren Buffet. The tremendous buying power of Buffet means that quality is not cut back and name brand equipment is used, and shortcuts are not taken. Buffet even has his Forest River Managers meet once week in his factorys and pull an RV off the line..and do a random quality audit on it. Every inch!

You've got a good eye for great RV's...and I'm biased towards Jayco!
Both companies FR and Heartland build high quality, well equipped and well made RV's with a LOT for your money. :B

So it would boil down to interior decor you like, floor plans and amenities that you like best!


For example the FR Silver back has as standards...

•LED Lighting w/ Lifetime Warranty *****
•10 Gallon Water Heater
•12 Volt Heating Pads on all Holding Tanks
•Roof and Underbelly - R38
•Sidewalls - R9
•30" x 48" Rectangular Shower w/Glass Doors
•Ducted 15,000 BTU Air Conditioner
•Attic Vents
•Brace and Wire for Second Air Conditioner
•Digital Thermostat for Heat and Air Conditioner
•Braced for Optional "Level-Up" Six-Point Hydraulic Level System
•Bathroom Breeze Fantastic Fan
•Create-A-Breeze Fantastic Fan w/Rain Sensor in Kitchen
•Cathedral Slide Rooms
•Congoleum® Diamondflor™
•Docking Station w/Easy Access Bypass Valves
for the Water Heater Systems
•Enclosed and Insulated Underbelly w/Heating Pads on ALL Tanks
•Dexter E-Z Flex Rubber Equalization System
w/Greased Zerks and Bronze Bushings
•Dexter Nev-R-Adjust Brakes
•Dexter E-Z Lube Hubs
•16" Tires and Aluminum Rims
•Front Storage for Spare Tire
•LED Tail Lights and Lower Front Lights
•Lighted Entry Step
•55 Amp Converter w/Charger
•50 Amp Power Cord
•Radius Ceiling
•New Interior - Hickory Glazed Maple Hardwood
•Solid Wood Fascia - No Wrapped Foam - Try the "Tap Test"
•Serta® Residential Dreamscape Mattress
•Porcelain Toilet w/Top Swirl Flush
•Shaw® Carpeting
•"Soft Top" Vinyl Storm Doors Silverback Explorer Package (Mandatory Options)
•LED, Flat Panel, HD Ready Television in Living Room and Bedroom
•12 Volt CD/DVD, AM/FM Stereo
•Two (2) Exterior Waterproof Patio Speakers
•8 Cu. Ft., Wood Front Refrigerator
•Hide-a-Bed Sofa
•30" Over the Range Microwave w/ Vent
•LG Hi-MACS Classic Solid Surface Countertops
•True Nobel Classic "Pearl" Gel Coat Exterior
•Black Tank Flush
•Bathroom Breeze Power Fan
•Rear Stabilizer Jacks
•Front Hydraulic Jacks
•Entire Water Filtration System
•Cedar Creek Switch Control Center
•Winegard HD Roof Satellite Prep


______________________________________________________________________
HEARTLAND-

WIRELESS REMOTE CONTROL SYSTEM
Secondary wireless control system on key fob
Controls slide rooms, electric awning,
front and rear jacks, and outside lights
HAND CRAFTED BORDEAUX CABINETRY
All Cabinet Frames are Pre-Drilled and screwed together - not stapled
Euro style spring loaded on each cabinet door Hidden Hinges
Deluxe Ball-Bearing Drawer Guides
UNIVERSAL DOCKING CENTER
12V light
Tank drain pull controls with enclosed gate valves
Hot / Cold Exterior shower sprayer
Black Tank Flush
Water hook up – city and tank fill *ALL IN ONE*
RG-6 coaxial cable hook up
Dual Satellite Hook Up (Roof OR Tri-Pod)
Winterization valves and water heater bypass
BIGGEST EXTERIOR STORAGE In Class: Over 145 Cubic Feet of Storage!
Large Insulated Slam Style Access Doors on compartments
Unobstructed Pass-Through Design
110V Outlet &Cable TV Plug
12V Trunk Lights
BEDROOM
Large Walk-In Front Wardrobe
Two Windows in Slide for Better Air Flow
Over 6’-4” full profile Bedroom Ceiling Height Throughout
Reading Lights Over Bed
Speakers in Bedroom
EXTERIOR FEATURES
Exterior Speakers
12V Sound System
2 Molded Security Lights
Light at Entry Step
LAMINATED FLOOR CONSTRUCTION
Strong Aluminum Framing
Block Foam Insulation
3/8” Seamless Decking (No squeaks)
Thermo-Board Luan on the Bottom
LAMINATED ROOF CONSTRUCTION
5” Laminated - Block Foam with Aluminum framing
Fully walk able Roof
One-Piece Seamless roof protection
LAMINATED WALL CONSTRUCTION
High gloss gelcoated exterior walls
2” thick, 6 layered sidewall
Double-Welded Aircraft Quality Aluminum throughout
FRAME & LANDING GEAR
Strong 12” I-Beam Frame
w/Drop Frame (most models)
Hydraulic Front Jacks
Heavy Duty Rear Stabilizer Jacks
TIRE/AXLES/SUSPENSION
Correct Track alignment
Heavy-Duty E-Rated 16” Radial Tires
Dexter EZ Flex Suspension with shocks
Aluminum rims
7,000 lb. Axles
2¼” x 12” Nev-R-Adjust Brakes on each hub
ABS Fender Skirts
UNDERBELLY
Seamless Corrugated Underbelly Material
Heated, enclosed, and insulated underbelly, holding tanks and gate valves
PLUMBING
Color-Coded Plumb-PLEX™ Water Lines
75 Gallon Fresh Water system
90 Gallon Gray and 45 Gallon black tanks
(2) 30# LP bottles
POWER
80 AMP/12V DC Power Converter with charge wizard
50 Amp Detachable Marine Cord
110V Exterior Electrical Receptacles
HEATING
40,000 BTU Furnace
Heated Stool Room
COOLING
15,000 BTU ducted Air Conditioner
Air Conditioned Stool Room
Wired and Prepped for 2nd A/C
INSULATION VALUES
Walls – R11 Insulation (calculated)
Roof – R38 Insulation (calculated)
Floor - R38 Insulation (calculated)
Slide Rooms Floor - R38 Insulation
MAIN SLIDE ROOMS
7’2” Slide Room Ceiling Height
Cabinets Above Sofa
Hydraulic Operating System with manual override
Triple Sealed
w/One-Piece Weather-proof Floor Pan
LIVING ROOM
Decorative Glass Inserts in Overheads
110V Ceiling Fan
with Light Kit (most models)
Hard Valances

FOR YOUR PROTECTION & SAFETY
Smoke Detectors on Ceiling
Fire Extinguisher by Entry Door
LP Gas & CO2 Detectors inside Unit
Exterior Security Flood Lights
Break Away cable Switch
Deadbolt Lock on Entrance Door
120V GFI Protected Outlets
Fire Escape Windows
All Safety Glass Windows
12V Hitch Light

KITCHEN
Stainless steel appliances, sink, and hardware
Room for Large Trash Can
Residential Sized Cabinets with euro
style hidden hinges
Residential Size under mounted Stainless Steel Sink
Deep Residential Size Drawers
Large, Deep Pantry w/Adjustable Shelves plus pull out pantries
Standard Fantastic Vent with Wall Mounted Thermostat and Rain Sensor

BATH AREA
6’-4” Bath/Bed Ceiling Height Throughout
Large Medicine Cabinet
Vanity Light Bar and Wall Mirrors
Vessel sink with added countertop

SHOWER
One-Piece Fiberglass Shower
Mega-Bath (select models) with Glass Shower Surround
Adjustable Shower Head
Skylight over Shower

COMMODE ROOM
Power Roof Ventilation
Porcelain Commode w/Foot Flush
Storage Shelf
110V Outlet

And Heartland-Unusual for a RV Manufacturer...will do custom stuff during construction.

Good luck!

Good info....one correction....Heartland introduced their first coach, the Landmark, in late 2004...for model year 2005. They have been in business for 9 years...

[JCGibson]

OpenRangePullen_Ford wrote:
Go with the Big County!!!

Why would you choose Big Country?

[JCGibson]

donn0128 wrote:
Big Country is a Keystone/Thor product right? Cedar Creek Silverback is a Forest River product. After 8 years of ownership (11/04 build date) my cedar creek has been perfect. I currently have two issues that need taken care of. Both I really consider normal wear and tear issues. Both I have parts for when the weather warms. Both parts I got from CC after one phone call. They are easy to deal with and still have parts for my 2005 fiver. Today it is 29 degrees outside with a light east wind. We are sitting full time with our back window facing east and the river. We have a oil heater and with that we can maintain around 67 degrees inside with occasional use of the furnace. Not perfect but insulation value of the Cedar Creek is pretty decent considering age and conditions. The difference between a regular CC and the Silverback is mostly fluff. Options on the SB are standard on the CC. In reality if you load up a Silveback you can buy a CC loaded with the same features plus more for nearly the same price.

Thanks for the info. We like CC, but don't have one under 35' to fit in our garage nicely.