load weight question

[boingram]

First...i am no where close to the gvwr of the fw.

If i move 300 pounds of weight out of the bed of the tv to behind the rear axle of the fw...have i lowered the payload of the tv and abt what percentage of that 300 is transferred to the hitch pin...thx... bo

[kaydeejay]

Slownsy wrote:
A Toy hauler is designed front heavy on purpose a normal FW not so, if you like to give bad advise be my gest, as already mentioned opviesly TV is not op to doing the job.
Frank.

While I agree a toy hauler is deliberately front heavy when empty YOU were talking about adding weight behind the axles.
I'm suggesting some TH owners add 2000# or more back there, that's all.
Not sure where the "bad advice" comes in.

[motorcycle_jack]

I've actually done this experiment. Moving 300 Lbs from the bed of the truck to the rear of a 5 wheel doesn't changed the total weight, obviously. What it does do is add 300 lbs. to the axle weight of the trailer. On mine it added about 100 each to rear axles, 50 each to the front axles. On the pin weight it dropped about 25. So I kept the tool box in the truck. Did it change the handling? Not really. I haul a 20K trailer, pin weight 4500 so no it didn't make muck difference, just changed my mind and wanted the tools with the truck.

[dapperdan]

The closer you move weight to the trailer axels the less you'll have on the pin and TV. If you load behind the trailer axles most of that weight settles on the trailer axels but you're only talking about 300 lbs, that's really nothing in comparison to your total gross weight. If you're worried about 300 lbs extra on your truck you don't have enough truck!

Dan

[boingram]

...thx everyone...i am buying a 3500 denali and wildcat 295...im just trying to learn all i can abt towing...i obviously have plenty of truck...just curious. ..bo

[Me_Again]

From OP's profile: forest river microlite 25ds w toyo tundra extended cab

So the question is what does he have that weighs 300 pounds that he can move to the rear of the trailer????

http://www.barrettrv.com/New-Inventory-2015-Forest-River-Micro-Lite-25DS-Queensbury-New-York-754375

Being a bumper pull moving weight to the rear of the trailer is not a good idea!

On edit: I appears that the OP has a new truck and 5th wheel. He was trying to purchase a 3500 GMC, but may have ended up with a 2500 because of availability!! So we need more info!!!!



Chris

[JIMNLIN]

Slownsy wrote:
A Toy hauler is designed front heavy on purpose a normal FW not so, if you like to give bad advise be my gest, as already mentioned opviesly TV is not op to doing the job.
Frank.

We've had threads from the toy hauler forum about bad handling units. In fact one members trailer manufacturer had to move a member new model trailers axles to eliminate tail wagging the dog after he loaded his toys.

[Slownsy]

A Toy hauler is designed front heavy on purpose a normal FW not so, if you like to give bad advise be my gest, as already mentioned opviesly TV is not op to doing the job.
Frank.

[kaydeejay]

Slownsy wrote:
Ading weight behind axles may lead to instability, weight ought to be directly over axles or in front.
Frank.

Tell that to the guys who pull a Toy Hauler!

Moving 300# around is not going to make a significant difference to the way a fiver tows.
If we were talking about moving a couple of thousand pounds around I would agree with you.

[Slownsy]

Ading weight behind axles may lead to instability, weight ought to be directly over axles or in front.
Frank.

[kaydeejay]

camp-n-family wrote:
Picture the fiver as a see-saw. Adding weight behind the axles will reduce the pin weight, not add to it. The amount reduced will depend on the distance the weight is placed behind the fulcrum (axles in this case).

For example:-
Move 300# from the truck, assuming 15' in FRONT of the trailer axles
TO 5' behind the trailer axles.
Result will be 100# OFF the pin PLUS 300# off the truck for a total reduction of 400# off the truck rear axle.
Different dimensions will produce a different result in proportion.

[camp-n-family]

Picture the fiver as a see-saw. Adding weight behind the axles will reduce the pin weight, not add to it. The amount reduced will depend on the distance the weight is placed behind the fulcrum (axles in this case).

[MFL]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
If you are concerned about 300# you need a different TV.

From other posts, it seems he is upgrading to a GMC 3500, so not sure why the concern over 300#s.

I guess he could get a Ram dually, and call it good. 😉

Jerry

[Cummins12V98]

If you are concerned about 300# you need a different TV.

[MFL]

C-Bears wrote:
I'm not sure you can know that without going to the scales.

This would be the best way to know for sure.

Not sure what you'd remove from truck, that weighs 300#s, but yes, it would remove payload from the truck. If you put this wt behind the rear axle of FW, there would likely be no wt added to the pin.

Jerry