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Shaft0201
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Have a 2008 Extreme megalite. After boondocking this weekend I had a couple issues. The 2 12v batteries in there are a few years old and won’t hold a charge (there ready for replacement). Want to replace there with 2 6v batteries, And possibly a separate battery just for starting the generator??? what’s your thoughts on using the genny a few hours a day to charge back up the batteries? I have all LED interior lights but do have the fridge and furnace running all day and night for the kids during these colder NW Trips. TV and a couple lights on throughout the day.

1) My 2 12v batteries went dead 2 times and had to just with the truck

2) would live some sort of alarm letting me know the Genny (Onan 4K microquiet) needs started to charge the batteries before its to late

3) a possible way to make my generator auto start when it senses low voltage level.

4) how to tell if my current converter is doing its job?
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Badhabt
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I went with 2 6V Duracells from Batteries Plus to replace 2 Interstate 12Vs. I dont do alot of dry camping...just weekends, but they last WAY longer. Just wire them in series instead of parallel.
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Shaft0201
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370 amp hours sounds like a group 31 battery which is much bigger in size than a 24 group but you will get the more amp hours. So they will take up more room.

This is good to know. I thought the AH would double with 2 of the 6v batteries. That’s why I came to you guys. I’m very mechinacly inclined but newer to RV’s and 6v battery systems.

1L243
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Shaft0201 wrote:
Good to know information for sure. I to am looking to get a enclosed compartment for my batteries as well and I will defiantly order a voltminder ASAP. I was looking at The Duracell 6 V batteries battery plus the website and they are anywhere from 250-370amp hours each. Seems like 2 of them would be ideal ito me but then again I have not been down this road before.


The most amp hours for the least amount of money is the way to go. You will also be looking at a core charge so you will have to trade in your old batteries.

370 amp hours sounds like a group 31 battery which is much bigger in size than a 24 group but you will get the more amp hours. So they will take up more room.

Just for general information 6 volt batteries have to be added in two's for a 12 volt systems. Amp hours won't be increased with only two 6 volts like in 12 volts but 6 volt amp hours would be double when you go with four. On 12 volt deep cycle's you will add 85 amp hours every time you add another battery.

If you go with a battery box its a good ideal to vent the box. I would also add a battery disconnect for when you have the trailer in storage. I would not leave the trailer plugged in all the time. Give it a full charge, park it in storage and turn off the batteries. The only thing that works in my trailer when the batteries are turned off is the Voltminder.
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theoldwizard1
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A low battery voltage cut off combined with with a generator auto start are two good ideas, together !

This an easy project with an Arduino or other tiny singe board computer. You would need a HD relay to cut off the batteries and another relay to start the generator plus associated wiring.

Shaft0201
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Good to know information for sure. I to am looking to get a enclosed compartment for my batteries as well and I will defiantly order a voltminder ASAP. I was looking at The Duracell 6 V batteries battery plus the website and they are anywhere from 250-370amp hours each. Seems like 2 of them would be ideal ito me but then again I have not been down this road before.

1L243
Explorer II
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Shaft0201 wrote:
1L243 wrote:
1. Get a Voltminder. Connect it directly to the battery and it will give you a accurate read of what your battery level is at. It has a low battery alarm that you can set.
https://www.amazon.com/VoltMinder-Digital-Volt-Meter-Batteries/dp/B001IQ1XW4

2. If your draining two batteries in two days you have a significant drain. If you use your furnace batteries won't last long.

You will need to run your generator longer. Watch your Voltminder and try and keep it between 12.4 and 12.7 when not charging and batteries rested.

3. Add more batteries. Two group 24 12 volts will have about 170 amp hours, two 6 volts will have about 220 amp hours. If you add two extra batteries to the two you already have you will double the amp hours. You can see you will end up with more amp hours with 6 volts.

4. Solar would be nice but you will need at least 300 watts to do any good. That will cost you around $1000+


Thanks for the detailed response. The batteries are charging, but they are just a couple of old crappy car battery’s. I will be upgrading to good dual 6v setup. I was running the furnace nonstop, so I’m sure that was a big draw. Don’t think the solar panels would be worth the investment since the place we boondocks are heavy with trees and then on shore power when at campgrounds. You talk about batteries being rested, how long are you meaning? When at home and not using the trailer so I leave it plugged in all the time or is this hard on the battery’s? Thanks again.


After charging your batteries will need to rest for about a hour for a accurate read on what your battery voltage actually is. For example if you run your generator your batteries will be charging at what ever output your Converter is charging at, let's say 13.7 volts. When you turn off your generator your batteries will read probably 13.2 volts and you will grab your fishing pole and run out the door. But when you come back in about a hour your batteries will read their more accurate level(depending on how long you have been charging) let's say 12.5 volts because they have had time to rest.

Voltminder you can order it from Amazon or direct from the company


When you open up your Converter you will see where the battery cables are connected. This would be the best place to connect your Voltminder. These cables go directly to the battery with the least amount of voltage drop.

Who ever put car batteries in your trailer made a mistake. Two 6 volts will be better but if your going to do a lot of dry campingand running your furnace you will need more.

My 300tq had two new 12 volt deep cycle batteries so I added two more. This gives me about 370 amp hours. Four 6 volts would have given me 440 amp hours but I could not see throwing away new batteries. I will replace them when the day comes with 6 volts.
I got the battery box from Harbor Freight. I also put in a battery disconnect switch.
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dedmiston
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See if you can find an Auto Start module for your Onan. I found a couple of hits with a Google search. This will automatically start your gen when your batteries are low and then shut it off once they're charged.

I don't have any experience with the auto start, but it sounds like a good idea.

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Y-Guy
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Shaft0201 wrote:
The batteries are charging, but they are just a couple of old crappy car battery’s. I will be upgrading to good dual 6v setup. I was running the furnace nonstop, so I’m sure that was a big draw.

I'm surprised they even lasted as long as they did. Once you have some good deep cycle batteries then you'll be fine. There is no need to separate the battery system, that will just make it more complicated.

Factory converter/chargers are bad, check to see what you have first. There are better ones out there but find out what you have. I had a Progressive Dynamic Inteli-Power unit, great unit.

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Lwiddis
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Living in the northwest like you do 1L243, Shaft may need need more than 300 solar watts.
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Shaft0201
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1L243 wrote:
1. Get a Voltminder. Connect it directly to the battery and it will give you a accurate read of what your battery level is at. It has a low battery alarm that you can set.
https://www.amazon.com/VoltMinder-Digital-Volt-Meter-Batteries/dp/B001IQ1XW4

2. If your draining two batteries in two days you have a significant drain. If you use your furnace batteries won't last long.

You will need to run your generator longer. Watch your Voltminder and try and keep it between 12.4 and 12.7 when not charging and batteries rested.

3. Add more batteries. Two group 24 12 volts will have about 170 amp hours, two 6 volts will have about 220 amp hours. If you add two extra batteries to the two you already have you will double the amp hours. You can see you will end up with more amp hours with 6 volts.

4. Solar would be nice but you will need at least 300 watts to do any good. That will cost you around $1000+


Thanks for the detailed response. The batteries are charging, but they are just a couple of old crappy car battery’s. I will be upgrading to good dual 6v setup. I was running the furnace nonstop, so I’m sure that was a big draw. Don’t think the solar panels would be worth the investment since the place we boondocks are heavy with trees and then on shore power when at campgrounds. You talk about batteries being rested, how long are you meaning? When at home and not using the trailer so I leave it plugged in all the time or is this hard on the battery’s? Thanks again.

1L243
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1. Get a Voltminder. Connect it directly to the battery and it will give you a accurate read of what your battery level is at. It has a low battery alarm that you can set.
https://www.amazon.com/VoltMinder-Digital-Volt-Meter-Batteries/dp/B001IQ1XW4

2. If your draining two batteries in two days you have a significant drain. If you use your furnace batteries won't last long.

You will need to run your generator longer. Watch your Voltminder and try and keep it between 12.4 and 12.7 when not charging and batteries rested.

3. Add more batteries. Two group 24 12 volts will have about 170 amp hours, two 6 volts will have about 220 amp hours. If you add two extra batteries to the two you already have you will double the amp hours. You can see you will end up with more amp hours with 6 volts.

4. Solar would be nice but you will need at least 300 watts to do any good. That will cost you around $1000+
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time2roll
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#4) when charging a low battery the voltage should steadily climb to 14.3+ volts.

Artum_Snowbird
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The best thing you could do would be to buy a $4 voltage meter from China. Get one with 4 decimal points, so you can see the difference between 12.5 and 12.4 evenly.. you will see 12.56, then 12.54. With that, you will begin to see your requirements and needs, and then you can learn when to recharge, and the benefit from charging for one hour or two hours.

Those few things will make your life so much better, and all the people around you will be happy that you run a generator only as much as you need.
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