Truck/trailer weight help

[Shipwreck2]

Hey all first post here

We had decided to move up to a fifth wheel so upgraded the truck and bought a fifth wheel and all was good or so we thought. I am supposed to pick up the trailer this Wednesday(in 3 days) and while searching on slide or no slide I found I made a big mistake. We bought a f150 ecoboost with the max tow package thinking that gave me 3000lb cargo and 11000lb tow. Found out that for the 3000lb I need the max cargo option I don't have.

We purchased a cougar xlite 28rbd with a tow weight of 7000lb and pin of 1400lb.

To make sure I don't do a repeat on the truck I'm Herero make sure I don't miss anything. I am now looking at an f250 crew cab 4x4 6.5' box. Dealer has listed it on the website as 2800lb cargo and 9300lb tow capacity even though it has listed the tow package option.

Will this truck/trailer combination make a good pairing? If not what specific features/options do I need? I need to figure out something quick or I will have to start paying storage on the new trailer so I am limited on truck options.

Thanks in advance

[Shipwreck2]

MFL wrote:
What does the 150 show for payload on the yellow door sticker? With the Max Tow, you have some extra payload, plus 3.73 gears, tow mirrors, extra cooling, and IBC.

The 250 must be a 10, or older, to only have 9,300 tow capacity. You need to move to an 11 250, for more payload, and 12,000+ lbs. of FW towing.

Jerry

The 150 shows 1779lb on the door

You are correct the250 is a 2010. At this point I am only trying to confirm this has the payload/towing capacity for this specific trailer. We picked the trailer to support our needs for several years so I am not concerned about the truck handling a future trailer just our current one.

[rhagfo]

KD4UPL wrote:
There is nothing you can do to increase the cargo RATING, that is, the sticker on the door. There is much you can do to increase the load handling ABILITY of the truck, that is, what it is physically capable of doing. Upgrading the wheels, tires, axles, springs, etc. will indeed increase the ability of the truck to carry additional weight.
In your case, I take it your trailer's GVWR is 9,000 pounds. I would assume around 1,500 to 1,800 pounds of pin weight. Add to that the weight of the hitch and whatever passengers and gear will be in the truck. I think you will quickly reach 2,500 pounds. I would be looking for a more capable truck, not sinking money into the one you have to modify it.

Well if it is a 28RDB the GVWR is right at 10,000#, I personally doubt it will be over 9,000# GVW, that still equates to a 1,800# pin.

So much depends on current rear axle rating, and how much weight it has empty. If memory serves me correctly the rear axles on the Max towing is only 4,000#, so max empty could be 2,200#. Not my choice with a 150.

Next issue, going from an EcoBoost to a NA gas engine, even a 6.2 is going to feel weak. Not that it can't do the job, it can, it just will not feel the same. Best I can say is good luck!


Specs for 28RDB
Shipping Weight 7,620#
Carrying Capacity 2,380#
Hitch 1,390#
GVWR 10,000#
Length 32' 11"
Height 11' 11"

[MFL]

What does the 150 show for payload on the yellow door sticker? With the Max Tow, you have some extra payload, plus 3.73 gears, tow mirrors, extra cooling, and IBC.

The 250 must be a 10, or older, to only have 9,300 tow capacity. You need to move to an 11 250, for more payload, and 12,000+ lbs. of FW towing.

Jerry

[donn0128]

Probably your smartest move. Turns out most of us upgrade several times before we get it right. Dually will give you the upgrade capabilities for future

[Shipwreck2]

KD4UPL wrote:
. I think you will quickly reach 2,500 pounds. I would be looking for a more capable truck, not sinking money into the one you have to modify it.

I agree that is why in the original post I gave the specs on an F250 to replace the f150.

The trailer is supposed to be 1/2 ton towable according to keystone which was what caught our attention. At this rate I'll have to have a 1 ton dually before I'm done.

[KD4UPL]

There is nothing you can do to increase the cargo RATING, that is, the sticker on the door. There is much you can do to increase the load handling ABILITY of the truck, that is, what it is physically capable of doing. Upgrading the wheels, tires, axles, springs, etc. will indeed increase the ability of the truck to carry additional weight.
In your case, I take it your trailer's GVWR is 9,000 pounds. I would assume around 1,500 to 1,800 pounds of pin weight. Add to that the weight of the hitch and whatever passengers and gear will be in the truck. I think you will quickly reach 2,500 pounds. I would be looking for a more capable truck, not sinking money into the one you have to modify it.

[Shipwreck2]

For the trailer that is the dry weight cargo weight is 2000lb.

For the truck I am unsure as I have not yet spoken with the dealer only what is on the web.

The other part that makes this more urgent is that we are currently in a 10 day camping trip in our current trailer. Wednesday I was to spend the day driving the current trailer to the dealer and swap trailers then continue our trip. Our trailer has already been sold by the dealer so if I can't correct the truck then trip is over

Drcook I was under the impression legally there is nothing I can do aftermarket to increase the cargo rating of my truck? The only feature the current truck is missing is max cargo which I believe the major change there is an axel and wheel upgrade along with springs.

[drcook]

Are you going to keep the trailer at your home ? If so, you could look into what it what cost to have an RV hauler put it there for you. The dealership would know of local ones. Or ones coming in with a load and having a side paying job could help someone from having to dead head back.

This would give you time to make a decision and lessen the potential financial loss from having to make a hasty decision.

As far as the truck, what is the difference in the options on the truck you already have ? Is it springs (fixable, not a terrible amount of money), rear-end gears ( a more pricey, but fixable issue) or what. If you could upgrade your truck to what you need for less than what you are going to lose by trading again then you could be further ahead UNLESS you intend to upgrade the trailer again and need a bigger truck.

You need time to look into engine combinations, rear gear ratios all the stuff that will come into play depending on where you intend to go with the unit.

At least that is my take on it as 1 hasty decision can lead into another if you don't have the latitude to step back buy correctly this time.

[donn0128]

Real world diesel 2500 series is going to scale around 8000 pounds, gas motor version maybe 7500 pounds. What is this trucks GVWR as posted on the drivers door post?
The fivers numbers you listed, are those GVWR or dry numbers from the brochure? Again, you need the fivers GVWR from the tag on the left front corner. Pin weight will be approx 20% of loaded, or for you the fivers GVWR. As long as the numbers work out in the worst case you should be OK.