CCW Conumdrum

[prstlk]

I have always been a responsible gun owner. I follow the law and obey the rules. We are full time and in year two. We are Idaho residents. 5 years ago through a local gun range I applied for a Utah concealed carry permit, took a full day class, paid for background check, did the shooting required, and obtained my permit. At the time Utah had the greatest reciprocity with other states, hence why I went that route. In states where CCW is not allowed or Utah does not have reciprocity I reluctantly do not carry.
Here's the problem. Today I tried to renew my Utah permit, and found out that Utah passed a new law two years ago that requires you to have a CCW from your home state.
Herein lies my problem. We are presently in Texas and do not plan on being in Idaho until summer of 2017. Idahos process now takes up to six weeks, so it's not a fly in out answer.
If anyone has any ideas I would very much appreciate your input.

PS CCW is a personal choice and I really don't want to start a debate about it.

Thanks in advance.

[Dick_A]

This has been shot at enough!

[rgatijnet1]

To the OP....You can apply for a Florida non-resident carry permit. Even as a non-resident, that permit will be honored in most States, including Utah and Idaho. Here is their website: Florida carry permit
Note that if you are ex-military, all you have to do is submit a copy of your DD214. You will need a fingerprint card that can be obtained at most law enforcement offices, for a charge. For awhile after the shooting at the military recruiting office, Florida had said that they would approve any carry permits for ex-military in about 2 weeks. I don't know if that is still true or not.
In any case, if you get a Florida permit, it is good for 7 years.

[Walaby]

Excellent advice on practicing. I also try to imagine difference "scenario's", and visualize them in my mind on what I would have to do, or how I might AVOID having to pull the weapon.

If you pull it, you need to be prepared to use it.

Mike

[Billinwoodland]

Jim Norman wrote:


Whatever you do, if you decide to carry, spend some time and money on knowing your gun. Get out and shoot. 100 rounds a year is not enough! If you are carrying, unload your gun, make sure it is EMPTY and PRACTICE drawing it from your holster. It will do you no good if you find it takes you 90 seconds to clear your shirt and jacket! See if you can draw while your seat belt is fastened!, yes this can be done, quickly and safely IF you practice.

Sorry for the Public Service Announcement, but I see way too many people that think they know about guns because they on occasion go to a range and shoot a few rounds.

Really good advice. And shoot a few rounds with your non-dominant hand.

[Jim_Norman]

Utah requires a permit from your home state IF that state issues and IF that state has reciprocity with Utah.

Texas will issue a CCW non-resident, which is widely honored. Do check however as many have said, Virginal and Pennsylvania have both been playing games with reciprocity as of late. The issue seems to be that they have arguably stricter interpretations of what constitutes a disqualification than some states, notably Florida.

I am considering getting a Texas permit in the future. Have to do some research to make sure it adds usefulness. PA Kicked Florida so I got Utah just in time to see it kicked out. Virgina still honors Utah at this time.

Whatever you do, if you decide to carry, spend some time and money on knowing your gun. Get out and shoot. 100 rounds a year is not enough! If you are carrying, unload your gun, make sure it is EMPTY and PRACTICE drawing it from your holster. It will do you no good if you find it takes you 90 seconds to clear your shirt and jacket! See if you can draw while your seat belt is fastened!, yes this can be done, quickly and safely IF you practice.

Sorry for the Public Service Announcement, but I see way too many people that think they know about guns because they on occasion go to a range and shoot a few rounds.

[ddndoug]

I think if you check into the processing period a little further, it will reveal that the entire process takes 6-8 weeks but most of that is processing time. Here in IL they send your request to the local and county authorities and they have thirty days to raise any red flags that may not be in formal files that indicate you would not be a good candidate. But it's simply a hurry up and wait process to make sure that thorough background checks are performed.

Doug

[msmith1199]

rgatijnet1 wrote:

msmith1199 wrote:


It would take Congress to make such a law and they have not yet for CCW's. But I have a permit that is valid in all 50 states thanks to Congress. But you just can't apply for it, you have to work for it.

I understand and certainly appreciate your time as a police officer but I wonder why Congress has not bestowed that same privilege on ex-military.

In addition to being a retired cop I'm also ex-military. And my job in the military actually required me to carry a gun at times as I was a loadmaster on a cargo plane. So the military made me go out once a year and shoot 18 rounds through a 2 inch revolver. So my military firearms training consisted of shooting 50 .22 caliber rounds through a modified M-16 in Basic training, and once a year shooting 18 rounds through a revolver. So for the six years I was in the Air Force I shot 158 rounds of ammo. When I was a cop we would shoot every 3 months and would shoot that many rounds at one session.

Now I realize a lot of different jobs in the military required a lot more firearms training, but there were also jobs that required less. So I doubt you'll see anything like a nationwide ccw for military like cops get.

[prstlk]

kalynzoo wrote:
Are you sure. I live in Los Angeles where it is impossible to get a CCW. There are rumors that movie stars and politicians have received CCW but none have been issued to the general public in years. Same for Los Angeles County. I earned my Utah CCW last year and the class is still being taught regularly at the local range.

California has the most anti gun laws and is very a unfriendly state toward CC. Your Governor can surround himself armed guards, but as a taxpaying citizen it is nearly impossible for you to protect yourself.
**** shame as its one of the most beautiful states in the county.

[prstlk]

45Ricochet wrote:
Yeah Jim you should have just done it in Idaho and been legal in like 20 states although some are dropping out of the agreement lately. I would just tuck in my shirt and not be concealed in states that allow it. I wouldn't try in in Cali or NY though :W And I won't mention Canadian restrictions.
I too respect the laws and follow them when traveling to other jurisdictions.
Personally though just having something in the MH does the trick for me. Seat belt plus trigger equals rash on my waist :B

If I had have known I would have. No told me about the law change. Not Utah where the permit was issue or the range where I took the class

[prstlk]

msmith1199 wrote:
If you aren't going back until 2017, then why does Idaho have to be your home state? Can't you make Utah your home state somehow? It is closer to Texas.

Its our state of residence, not easy to change, taxes, voting, insurance etc,

[prstlk]

johntank wrote:
Could you not do all the paperwork, class room & range stuff over a long weekend in Idaho? If Idaho is like my state the 6 weeks (45)day delay is for the state to do its background checking of you.

Hope this helps. John

The way it was explained to me with the new rule changes. You must present yourself at the Sheriffs Dept. apply for a background check, fingerprints etc. This process takes 4 to 8 weeks. Once cleared you then must take and approved course at an approved facility. This course requires a deputy for part of the instruction so they don' have them every day. You are also required to shoot 100 rounds.

I'm being told there is no way to expidite the process.

Thanks to all in advance, as any ideas help.

[CT_WANDERER]

Pirate wrote:

rgatijnet1 wrote:

msmith1199 wrote:


It would take Congress to make such a law and they have not yet for CCW's. But I have a permit that is valid in all 50 states thanks to Congress. But you just can't apply for it, you have to work for it.

I understand and certainly appreciate your time as a police officer but I wonder why Congress has not bestowed that same privilege on ex-military.

Because ex-military are not always model citizens. I would not want to see blanket permits for ex-military.

Boy I hate to do this, but there are some "LEO" that also should not be carrying guns or a matter of fact should not even be in that job.

[Pirate1]

rgatijnet1 wrote:

msmith1199 wrote:


It would take Congress to make such a law and they have not yet for CCW's. But I have a permit that is valid in all 50 states thanks to Congress. But you just can't apply for it, you have to work for it.

I understand and certainly appreciate your time as a police officer but I wonder why Congress has not bestowed that same privilege on ex-military.

Because ex-military are not always model citizens. I would not want to see blanket permits for ex-military.

[rgatijnet1]

msmith1199 wrote:


It would take Congress to make such a law and they have not yet for CCW's. But I have a permit that is valid in all 50 states thanks to Congress. But you just can't apply for it, you have to work for it.

I understand and certainly appreciate your time as a police officer but I wonder why Congress has not bestowed that same privilege on ex-military.