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dubdub07
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Explorer
Not that this is a "mine is different so it's better" thread, but at a minimum we could get DP on the drop down to better sort the the gassers from the DPs. Not much similar in the two.

WW
2013 Fleetwood Discovery 40G
TOADS: 12 Jeep JKUR Wrangler, 16 Cherokee Trailhawk, 15 Grand Cherokee, 13 RAM 1500 Longhorn (not a toad) American STEEL = American profits
RET USAF MSGT (26yrs) and still DoD ATC.
DW,DS,DD in the MH w/Westley the killer PUG!
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dubdub07
Explorer
Explorer
For whatever reason, I think I see your point. So I guess we should just put travel trailers and fifth wheels in one category. Pull behinds.
2013 Fleetwood Discovery 40G
TOADS: 12 Jeep JKUR Wrangler, 16 Cherokee Trailhawk, 15 Grand Cherokee, 13 RAM 1500 Longhorn (not a toad) American STEEL = American profits
RET USAF MSGT (26yrs) and still DoD ATC.
DW,DS,DD in the MH w/Westley the killer PUG!

magicbus
Explorer
Explorer
Thanks Fire Up. So the Inverter/harger is different. I never noticed when I went from gas to diesel. Everything else you mentioned is engine and braking, which I already said were different. As I said earlier, I think those are tech issues, not Class A issues. I've had both and now I have a "diesel puller" and none of the Class A issues but I do miss my compression brake :B.

Dave
Current: 2018 Winnebago Era A
Previous: Selene 49 Trawler
Previous: Country Coach Allure 36

FIRE_UP
Explorer
Explorer
magicbus wrote:
dubdub07 wrote:
magicbus wrote:
Having owned both a gasser and a DP I would offer that other than the engine and the brakes they have pretty much the same class A issues and concerns. Maybe under the Tech Issues I could see a different category, but not sure I understand why under Class A.

Dave


I have only owned a DP, and I can tell you from reading all the posts it seems the two have quite different issues.

Maybe it would help me to understand if you could give me a few examples where a Class A DP would have different issues than a Class A gasser (other than engine or brakes).

Dave


Well Dave,
There are actually quite a few differences in the two. About 99.99% of the gassers utilize a CONVERTER/CHARGER for most 12v operations including but, not limited to, charging of the house batteries. Where as about 99.9999% of the diesels out there utilize an INVERTER/CHARGER for the same application. And, that inverter is normally considerably larger than any inverter in most gassers, as supplied from the factory and, being it's a larger inverter, it will normally power up many more outlets than what most factory supplied smaller inverters in gas coaches. That's something that may, or may not be of importance to some.

Second, since it's a diesel engine, there are considerable difference in engine wiring and control factors. The frames of diesel coaches are normally heavier and, yes, that means the brakes are usually larger and more efficient and, also, the lower end diesels might have an EXHAUST BRAKE whereas the more upper end ones, might have a multi-stage COMPRESSION BRAKE.

Most gassers might have what's called a "Tow-haul" mode in the trans which alters the way the trans is shifted vs the amount of power needed and the speed at which the vehicle is traveling at the time.

Most generators in diesels are larger than the ones in gas units. And I was going to say that, for years, most gassers used a 30A service while most diesels used a 50A service but, that's kind-a changed in the last few years. I think in that respect, they're both pretty equal now.

The fact that about 99.9% of the diesels have the engine in the rear is pretty important to many folks due to the low levels of noise in the cab area for driving where as, the gas engine up front, does provide with more Dbs for a louder atmosphere for driving, especially during hill climbs.

A good quality, higher end gas coach, with the heavy duty chassis i.e. 22.5 wheels, can be fairly close to most of the qualities of a lower end diesel, of the same year and length.
Scott
Scott and Karla
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2004 Itasca Horizon, 36GD Slate Blue 330 CAT
2011 GMC Sierra 1500 Ext Cab 4x4 Toad
2008 Caliente Red LVL II GL 1800 Goldwing
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K_Charles
Explorer
Explorer
And then divide them by chassis or maybe engine. Or maybe cheap ones and expensive ones, or maybe old ones and new ones. Some have a gas engine in the back. Some gas A's even have a tag axle.
I also read the newest so it wouldn't matter to me but I like them grouped together, many that have one may have had the other and could help someone with a question.

Bruce_Brown
Moderator
Moderator
magicbus wrote:
Having owned both a gasser and a DP I would offer that other than the engine and the brakes they have pretty much the same class A issues and concerns. Maybe under the Tech Issues I could see a different category, but not sure I understand why under Class A.

Dave

Agreed - 100%.
There are 24 hours in every day - it all depends on how you choose to use them.
Bruce & Jill Brown
2008 Kountry Star Pusher 3910

magicbus
Explorer
Explorer
Hey, go for it. As most others do I read them all because you never know that you will learn.

Dave
Current: 2018 Winnebago Era A
Previous: Selene 49 Trawler
Previous: Country Coach Allure 36

gbopp
Explorer
Explorer
wolfe10 wrote:
Dutch_12078 wrote:
jplante4 wrote:
I believe most people just watch the "All" category.

Exactly what I do...


I do as well.

Yep, I click on 'Newest' and read whatever interests me.

If they split Class A into two catagories, shouldn't they do the same for Class B and C? They're made in gas and diesel.

It doesn't matter to me as long as my forum dues do not increase. ๐Ÿ™‚

wolfe10
Explorer
Explorer
Dutch_12078 wrote:
jplante4 wrote:
I believe most people just watch the "All" category.

Exactly what I do...


I do as well.
Brett Wolfe
Ex: 2003 Alpine 38'FDDS
Ex: 1997 Safari 35'
Ex: 1993 Foretravel U240

Diesel RV Club:http://www.dieselrvclub.org/

dubdub07
Explorer
Explorer
magicbus wrote:
dubdub07 wrote:
magicbus wrote:
Having owned both a gasser and a DP I would offer that other than the engine and the brakes they have pretty much the same class A issues and concerns. Maybe under the Tech Issues I could see a different category, but not sure I understand why under Class A.

Dave


I have only owned a DP, and I can tell you from reading all the posts it seems the two have quite different issues.

Maybe it would help me to understand if you could give me a few examples where a Class A DP would have different issues than a Class A gasser (other than engine or brakes).

Dave


What harm does it do? It could already be done. You mean the difference between an ISL and a 460? 40,000lbs versus 25,000 lbs? The air suspension, Allison MH3500? I mean, seriously, there are a lot of differences. Mine does not sway going 75mph in a 30kt crosswind, but most gassers are on here trying to figure out how to get rid of sway. Normally, the differences are the DP has fewer issues, fewer posts, and it would be nice to have a completely separate category to help with the sifting. Ideally, a CLASS A GAS and CLASS A DIESEL split would be great.

WW
2013 Fleetwood Discovery 40G
TOADS: 12 Jeep JKUR Wrangler, 16 Cherokee Trailhawk, 15 Grand Cherokee, 13 RAM 1500 Longhorn (not a toad) American STEEL = American profits
RET USAF MSGT (26yrs) and still DoD ATC.
DW,DS,DD in the MH w/Westley the killer PUG!

magicbus
Explorer
Explorer
dubdub07 wrote:
magicbus wrote:
Having owned both a gasser and a DP I would offer that other than the engine and the brakes they have pretty much the same class A issues and concerns. Maybe under the Tech Issues I could see a different category, but not sure I understand why under Class A.

Dave


I have only owned a DP, and I can tell you from reading all the posts it seems the two have quite different issues.

Maybe it would help me to understand if you could give me a few examples where a Class A DP would have different issues than a Class A gasser (other than engine or brakes).

Dave
Current: 2018 Winnebago Era A
Previous: Selene 49 Trawler
Previous: Country Coach Allure 36

Dutch_12078
Explorer II
Explorer II
jplante4 wrote:
I believe most people just watch the "All" category.

Exactly what I do...
Dutch
2001 GBM Landau 34' Class A
F53 chassis, Triton V10, TST TPMS
Bigfoot Automatic Leveling System
2011 Toyota RAV4 4WD/Remco pump
ReadyBrute Elite tow bar/Blue Ox baseplate

jplante4
Explorer II
Explorer II
I believe most people just watch the "All" category.
Jerry & Jeanne
1996 Safari Sahara 3530 - 'White Tiger'
CAT 3126/Allison 6 speed/Magnum Chassis
2014 Equinox AWD / Blue Ox

dubdub07
Explorer
Explorer
magicbus wrote:
Having owned both a gasser and a DP I would offer that other than the engine and the brakes they have pretty much the same class A issues and concerns. Maybe under the Tech Issues I could see a different category, but not sure I understand why under Class A.

Dave


I have only owned a DP, and I can tell you from reading all the posts it seems the two have quite different issues.
2013 Fleetwood Discovery 40G
TOADS: 12 Jeep JKUR Wrangler, 16 Cherokee Trailhawk, 15 Grand Cherokee, 13 RAM 1500 Longhorn (not a toad) American STEEL = American profits
RET USAF MSGT (26yrs) and still DoD ATC.
DW,DS,DD in the MH w/Westley the killer PUG!

magicbus
Explorer
Explorer
Having owned both a gasser and a DP I would offer that other than the engine and the brakes they have pretty much the same class A issues and concerns. Maybe under the Tech Issues I could see a different category, but not sure I understand why under Class A.

Dave
Current: 2018 Winnebago Era A
Previous: Selene 49 Trawler
Previous: Country Coach Allure 36

dubdub07
Explorer
Explorer
azdryheat wrote:
Do I understand you to say you want DP's and gassers in separate areas under the heading of Class A Motorhomes?


Yes, yes, yes.....would not that help things out! The links in the category could just add DP!!
2013 Fleetwood Discovery 40G
TOADS: 12 Jeep JKUR Wrangler, 16 Cherokee Trailhawk, 15 Grand Cherokee, 13 RAM 1500 Longhorn (not a toad) American STEEL = American profits
RET USAF MSGT (26yrs) and still DoD ATC.
DW,DS,DD in the MH w/Westley the killer PUG!