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How many of us are there? Owners of Dodge based RV's?

whiteknight001
Explorer II
Explorer II
I'm new here, and curious.

How many of us in Class C own Dodge B300 incomplete
cab/chassis based RV's? I know two others- Steve aka
Ripsaw, with a 1977 Brougham, and Leroy aka 1978_Dodge
_Delta who owns a 440V8 powered sharp looking 1978
Delta RV. I would like to ask, and offer, help, idea
swapping and comparing notes on our particular RV's
which are based on the Dodge B300 van chassis.

Yeah, I know. These are low tech, podgy old RV's that
would be considered "entry level" for folks like me,
but I have a deep and abiding respect for the quality
of these old "monsters of the open road". And anyone
wanting to pick brains, joke about, share notes or just
brag about our old A- Dodge-io's are certainly welcome
to PM or email me. Between all of us we can form a real
good support group, and help each other with problems
we know we'll encounter with an older vehicle.

Sure. I'd love a new RV. But I'd rather have an older
one already paid for, and a lotta great memories. Call
me frugal, an old hippie, or whatever you will. I'm proud
of my old land yacht.

Mopar Madness Manifest in the flesh,

Mark aka White Knight

P.S. Mine's a '72. Is there an older one out there someone's
motorvating in? Maybe even a Travco? W/K
1972 Mobile Traveler 20' Dodge B300 Class C
"The Kobayashi Maru" Trans- Prarie Land Craft
"Requiescat in pace et in amore..."
8,369 REPLIES 8,369

Griff_in_Fairba
Explorer
Explorer
Big Redneck wrote:
You got to keep yourself strong in your mind. I know there hardship that we have but they only last for a short time. I keep busy working to get ahead.

So, what did she get you? And, are you sure she wasn't just trying to get you out from underfoot? :R
1970 Explorer Class A on a 1969 Dodge M300 chassis with 318 cu. in. (split year)
1972 Executive Class A on a Dodge M375 chassis with 413 cu. in.
1973 Explorer Class A on a Dodge RM350 (R4) chassis with 318 engine & tranny from 1970 Explorer Class A

Big_Redneck
Explorer
Explorer
You got to keep yourself strong in your mind. I know there hardship that we have but they only last for a short time. I keep busy working to get ahead.
We don't travel as much as we use to. I guess we are getting old.I want to go out west one more time.

Griff_in_Fairba
Explorer
Explorer
Did a quick look-see on Allpar ... one of their articles confirm my suspicion ... a functioning EGR system helps improve fuel economy, without significantly affecting performance.

This is another example, as is so often the case, of someone who doesn't really understand what they're doing creating more problems (and worse overall performance) by trying to "shade-tree" re-engineer OEM systems.

From what I can see, if you really, really want to get rid of the EGR, go to an after-market intake manifold, such as an Edelbrock Performer. BUT, that only works on non-emissions-controlled vehicles or in non-emissions areas.

A classic example of people doing what seems like a good idea is found among the hotrodder crowd. They build engines to drag-strip or racecar (high RPM) specifications and then wonder why the engine runs like **** on the street, at much lower RPMs.

They focus on the engine, without taking into account its intended use and the rest of the drivetrain. In following what they believe the "herd" is doing, they stand almost no chance of getting it right.

To demonstrate the right way to approach things, I'll describe what I did with the heads for my current project, involving the '69 Dodge 318 cu. in. LA small block listed in my sig block.

Starting point: I had used the engine for a thousand or so miles, in stock OEM configuration, in the same way I would be using the rebuilt engine, and was satisfied with its performance under typical planned usage conditions.

Normally, I'd just have a "vanilla" rebuild done to stock OEM specifications. As it turned out, I could have used the engine as is, without rebuilding it. When I took it apart, I could not detect and discernible cylinder ridge, indicating low mileage and/or good maintenance. (Most people don't realize their sense of touch is good enough to detect variations of only a few thousands of an inch.)

We haven't measured the cylinders but I'd be surprised if there was more than .005" taper in the cylinders. Most people would be fine just honing and re-ringing the cylinders and existing pistons. Personally, I prefer to bore the cylinders and use new, oversize pistons. (I really hate having to keep messing with things, redoing work I've already done because I didn't go "whole-hog" the first time ... also, when I finish a job, I want things to work/last as long as possible without having to mess with it again for a long time.)

I knew I wanted to replace the heads because, being a 1969, it still had leaded-gas heads, which don't last when using unleaded gas. Also, I wanted to replace the stock two-barrel intake manifold and carburetor with a four-barrel set-up.

Note: Many people are under the mistaken impression that having a four-barrel automatically means higher gas consumption. The venturis in two-barrel carburetors have to be sized for maximum anticipated demand, leading to slightly higher gas consumption during typical mid-RPM cruising. The primary venturis in four-barrel carburetors can be comparatively smaller, sized for the more common mid-range demand. The secondaries kick in to satisfy high-demand situations but are effectively unused otherwise. People's misconception comes from the fact people with four-barrel carburetors have a tendency to "floor it" and keep their foot in the throttle. In contrast, steady, mid-range throttle minimizes use of the secondaries and relies mainly on the smaller primary barrels. (As I've said before, you cannot reasonably expect sports car performance from a much heavier truck ... although this seems to be what people are looking for when they go to high cubic inch big blocks.)

When I chased casting numbers on the original heads and intake, I discovered I had a very rare cold-climate combination that Dodge only offered, as a special option, on very few vehicle for a few years only. Th fact that someone might want them for a unique all-original restoration project is another good reason for leaving them alone and going with different heads and intake. (The heads and intake have to be used together and neither can be used with other, more common, heads and intake manifolds, which ruled out using the heads with a four-barrel intake.)

On eBay, I found a set of unused, military-surplus unleaded heads that had spent over thirty years on a shelf and still had the protective coating the factory applies to prevent corrosion on replacement parts. (Heads were bare, without ever having valves, springs, rocker arms, and so forth installed.) I wish I could have gotten airlines miles for distance those heads traveled. The seller was in Nevada, the heads were in California, and I had them shipped to a speed shop in Maine. In turn, the speed shop shipped them to me in Fairbanks, Alaska, after working on them.

As I previously implied, people tend to do things in the wrong order, concentrating on the engine without considering the vehicle's intended use and other components. As an example of how this perspective leads problems, consider the souped-up pickup truck owned by someone here in Fairbanks.

He put a lot of money and effort in building a high performance engine. He also put a set of big, fat, off-road tires on the rear to handle the engine's expected output. Unfortunately, he didn't consider the components between the engine and tires, like the transmission, driveshaft, u-joints, and rear end. (He also spent all his money on the engine and tires so he couldn't afford to do anything else.)

As a result, he wound up with a vehicle that could barely be used on dry pavement and only with extreme care. Any attempt to make full use of the engine's potential caused the tires to spin or the driveshaft j-joints to snap if the tires managed to get a grip. (He still manages to break a u-joint every few months and, early on, was going through several per week.) Off-road use is just about out of the question, limited to ideal conditions even a Yugo could handle.

In less-than-ideal conditions (i.e., rain, snow, and mud), the slightest pressure on the gas peddle caused the engine to rev up and the tires to break loose. I actually saw him get stuck in a large but shallow puddle on a paved road.

I'll stop here. In my next post, I'll continue with what I've been doing, using a decision process that truly knowledgeable experts say to use to significantly improve your chances of success.
1970 Explorer Class A on a 1969 Dodge M300 chassis with 318 cu. in. (split year)
1972 Executive Class A on a Dodge M375 chassis with 413 cu. in.
1973 Explorer Class A on a Dodge RM350 (R4) chassis with 318 engine & tranny from 1970 Explorer Class A

Griff_in_Fairba
Explorer
Explorer
Mykedynamics wrote:
Hey Everyone!

Griff, glad you're warm and haven't had a heart attack! I ended up picking up that 1976 Establishment w/440..runs good..and slowly running better with some tuning..

Here's the problem...previous owner had removed the egr vacuum section..base plate still attached.. but needs to be replaced to pass smog!

Seems this part is very hard to find..any of you dodge gurus have a 1976 440 egr valve sittin around or know where to source one??

Manufacturer Part Number 3671423...this is the part number for a 73/74 440..not sure it's the same but visually looked the same.

Thanks for any help..I love that this community exists..makes you feel like you got some support!

Eric in California

Checked Leeann's link ... looks eBay's a good possibility.

Used my CarQuest commercial account ... only found the gasket.

Tried SMP's eCatalog ... they don't manufacture/source EGR components.

Central Jersey Motor Parts indicated they had two NOS (New Old Stock) of the p/n you gave.

Let me know if you need me to dig farther.
1970 Explorer Class A on a 1969 Dodge M300 chassis with 318 cu. in. (split year)
1972 Executive Class A on a Dodge M375 chassis with 413 cu. in.
1973 Explorer Class A on a Dodge RM350 (R4) chassis with 318 engine & tranny from 1970 Explorer Class A

Leeann
Explorer
Explorer
Just searched on ebay and found 3:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=3671423&_sacat=0
'73 Concord 20' Class A w/Dodge 440 - see profile for photo

Mykedynamics
Explorer
Explorer
Hey Everyone!

Griff, glad you're warm and haven't had a heart attack! I ended up picking up that 1976 Establishment w/440..runs good..and slowly running better with some tuning..

Here's the problem...previous owner had removed the egr vacuum section..base plate still attached.. but needs to be replaced to pass smog!

Seems this part is very hard to find..any of you dodge gurus have a 1976 440 egr valve sittin around or know where to source one??

Manufacturer Part Number 3671423...this is the part number for a 73/74 440..not sure it's the same but visually looked the same.

Thanks for any help..I love that this community exists..makes you feel like you got some support!

Eric in California

Phantom59
Explorer
Explorer
76lindy wrote:
Hello there,

I have a 19 inch Dodge B300 Lindy sportsman 360 engine motorhome. I am looking for towing capacity... I don't know if anyone othere with the same type of motorhome has towed a small car? or maybe do you know the exact number of up to how much could I pull with my motorhome without damaging it.

Regards



Not sure what you're toad weights but I have been towing a trailer behind my 20' honey class C for years that weighs well over 3500# with no problems. The original 360 has been warmed up a bit but I have never had a problem. It will actually pull Mounteagle at 60 if I push it hard.

Ballenxj
Explorer II
Explorer II
Sorry to hear about your Father, and the lost love. Some folks just don't get the fact that a lost love can be akin to the death of a loved one. ๐Ÿ˜ž
Griff in Fairbanks wrote:

Sorry, I cannot agree with term limits, although I do appreciate your suggestion for a second term for some of the people serving in Congress.

Assume you're the owner or manager of a business. Would you consider firing someone who's been doing good (or, arguably, excellent) work just because they'd been with the company for a certain period? It wouldn't make very good business sense.

We, the voters, hire and employ the people in Congress. We need to retain the productive ones and get rid of (vote out of the office) the dead-weights and obstructionists, without consideration for how long they've been in office. On this basis, I have to believe term limits could very well be more detrimental than productive.

Now we are really mixing productive and non productive. :E
I guess one of the things that really irks me is the fact that most politicians get a Golden parachute, that they voted for themselves by the way, while vets such as yourself that have served this once great country, but have to sweat it from pay check to pay check.
About that squirrel cage, I think it would be a whole lot quieter than the gas fed one. ๐Ÿ˜‰
Downsizing ๐Ÿ™‚

Griff_in_Fairba
Explorer
Explorer
Ballenxj wrote:
And you're sticking to that story of shoveling snow causing a heart attack?

Only in terms of other people. The cardiologist (best in the north Pacific) couldn't find any physical reason for the heart attack. After an in-depth discussion with me, he determined it was due primarily to excess stress.

To be perfectly honest and up front, the heart attack was a suicide attempt. Due to my mental condition and things happening in my life at the time, I deliberately let stress build up to the point where it triggered the heart attack.

I knew what was happening at the time and deliberately didn't anything to reduce the internal stress I was experiencing. I was aware, for several hours, that I was experiencing a heart attack that was steadily growing in intensity and ignored it. When it reached the point where I was experiencing severe pain in my limbs, I spent quite a bit of time debating whether I should get help or just let it happen. At that time, I was in the Rural Alaska Honors Institute (RAHI) dormitory and the fact my body might be discovered by one of the young people attending RAHI is the only thing that caused me to get help. (I was serving as a volunteer tutor for RAHI.)

I have been suffering from chronic depression and fighting suicidal urges since my early teens. It started when my first girlfriend's parents made her break up with me. Unlike many teen breakups, it wasn't puppy love ... I honestly and genuinely loved her because our relationship was based on close friendship. (The physical aspect of our relationship never progress pass kissing, although she expressed in interest in taking things further.)

Several weeks following that breakup, I received word that my father was missing and presumed drowned. (He was on a moose=hunting trip in Ontario at the time.) It was over three long, traumatic weeks before his body was found and recovered.

Those two back-to-back events, combined with what I experienced as a six-year-old when my younger brother died, caused one of my mental heath therapists to determine a form of PTSD is a significant part of my chronic depression.

It's worth noting that many people are surprised to learn I am suffering from, and receiving treatment for, chronic depression. This is because I've learned to do a very good job of concealing my condition. Concealment is not unusual among people suffering from depression, primarily because they don't want to let their condition affect those around them and because they want avoid the stigma attached to adverse mental health conditions. This is why many cases of suicide are such a shock to people around them when they happen.

The cardiologist did perform angioplasty and installed two cardiac stents. However, an extended period of mental health therapy is the reason I haven't suffered a recurrence in the decade and a half since that first heart attack. Frequent counseling sessions are the primary reason I've been able to get my condition under control and manage its ongoing effects. I have also been taking medication but it has a much smaller, less effective role in my therapy.

I tend to be very up front about my condition, in the right settings, to tell people what they're experiencing is not uncommon, is nothing to be ashamed of, and to demonstrate that they should seek treatment instead of quietly suffering from its effects.

The fact that various events during my military career aggravated my depression is why the VA "granted" me a rating of 30% service-connected disability for chronic depression. This rating is based on the presumption that, on average, three out of every ten days are shot to hell due to my condition.

The VA is required, by law, to provide treatment for recognized service-connected disabilities. Unfortunately, their "treatment" has been mostly limited to prescribing medications, which has proven to be only marginally effective, mostly serving only to limit the symptoms rather than actually treating the condition. For real treatment, I've had to rely primarily on the much more effective mental health counseling provide by non-profit organizations not connected to the VA.

Equally unfortunate is the fact actions by VA bureaucrats and pencil-pushers have actually seriously aggravated my condition, far in excess of the marginal treatment the VA has begrudged me.

Likewise, VA disability compensation, in my case, is a joke. The amount of compensation I supposedly receive for service-connected disabilities is taken, dollar for dollar, out of my military retirement pay. To the annoyance of many people, I refer to this as the "Military Retirees Disability Penalty clause" because I feel like I'm being penalized for expecting compensation for disabilities incurred or aggravated while serving in the military.

Enough depressing information ...

I have pointed out to my wife that sex is a well-known means of relieving stress and would go a long ways towards preventing another heart attack. She doesn't buy it. So, I have to resort to old fashion means, such as cuddling, to encourage her participation. (In spite of over 38 years of marriage to an often impossible spouse, she's not adverse to intimacy ... she just doesn't buy the stress relief justification.)

Ballenxj wrote:

Break out the squirrel cage, squirrels, and V belt. I'll bet you can come up with something.

If I was really concerned about power outages, I'd get the 4.8 kilowatt generator I have sitting in the yard running again. Instead, I just find some other productive activity, that doesn't involve electricity, to keep me busy until power comes back on.

Ballenxj wrote:
About the good folks in Congress, please don't get me started, as I for one think all professional politicians should serve two terms. One in office, and one in prison.


Sorry, I cannot agree with term limits, although I do appreciate your suggestion for a second term for some of the people serving in Congress.

Assume you're the owner or manager of a business. Would you consider firing someone who's been doing good (or, arguably, excellent) work just because they'd been with the company for a certain period? It wouldn't make very good business sense.

We, the voters, hire and employ the people in Congress. We need to retain the productive ones and get rid of (vote out of the office) the dead-weights and obstructionists, without consideration for how long they've been in office. On this basis, I have to believe term limits could very well be more detrimental than productive.
1970 Explorer Class A on a 1969 Dodge M300 chassis with 318 cu. in. (split year)
1972 Executive Class A on a Dodge M375 chassis with 413 cu. in.
1973 Explorer Class A on a Dodge RM350 (R4) chassis with 318 engine & tranny from 1970 Explorer Class A

Ballenxj
Explorer II
Explorer II
Griff in Fairbanks wrote:
Ballenxj wrote:
Griff in Fairbanks wrote:
Everybody -

I've been off the air for three days due to a large winter snow storm dumping over a foot of snow on us and taking out electricity, internet, and phone service (both landline and cell service).

Stay warm, stay dry, and above all, stay safe. See ya when you can.


Obviously, I'm back on the air, based on the fact I'm posting here.

Staying warm isn't a problem. The 16'x16' we're living in is (fairly) well insulated and was originally outfitted for off-grid use, with electrical service installed quite a few years after we moved in. We still have the (too large) wood stove, one propane light, and a propane heater that takes in outside air and vents fumes outside through the wall. (We did, eventually, replace the propane refrigerator with an electric.) Unfortunately, we haven't yet gotten around to refilling the propane tanks so we made do with the wood stove, flashlights, candles, and oil lamps.

Just like old times, with a bit less of the sex we used for entertainment back then.

And you're sticking to that story of shoveling snow causing a heart attack?
Griff in Fairbanks wrote:

My next task on the house involves using the table saw and those things don't cut worth a **** without electricity.

Break out the squirrel cage, squirrels, and V belt. I'll bet you can come up with something.
About the good folks in Congress, please don't get me started, as I for one think all professional politicians should serve two terms. One in office, and one in prison.
Downsizing ๐Ÿ™‚

Griff_in_Fairba
Explorer
Explorer
Ballenxj wrote:
Griff in Fairbanks wrote:
Everybody -

I've been off the air for three days due to a large winter snow storm dumping over a foot of snow on us and taking out electricity, internet, and phone service (both landline and cell service).

Stay warm, stay dry, and above all, stay safe. See ya when you can.


Obviously, I'm back on the air, based on the fact I'm posting here.

Staying warm isn't a problem. The 16'x16' we're living in is (fairly) well insulated and was originally outfitted for off-grid use, with electrical service installed quite a few years after we moved in. We still have the (too large) wood stove, one propane light, and a propane heater that takes in outside air and vents fumes outside through the wall. (We did, eventually, replace the propane refrigerator with an electric.) Unfortunately, we haven't yet gotten around to refilling the propane tanks so we made do with the wood stove, flashlights, candles, and oil lamps.

Just like old times, with a bit less of the sex we used for entertainment back then.

The lack of landline and cell phone service worried my wife because I had a heart attack over a decade ago and shoveling snow often leads to heart attacks for people in my situation. (Yes, I did shovel snow but paced myself to avoid over-exertion.)

My next task on the house involves using the table saw and those things don't cut worth a **** without electricity. (I seriously considered making the cuts with my Japanese pull-saw, just to give myself something productive to do ... besides harassing the wife.)

Outdoor temperatures are hovering around freezing right now and expected to climb back into the high 30s and low- to mid-40s in a few days. Most Alaskans consider anything above zero to be perfectly fine outdoor weather and even, to varying degrees. include subzero temperatures.

Lack of internet was most frustrating because we weren't able to find out if Congress had shut down the government or not. So, I didn't know if I'd get my military retirement pay and VA disability compensation. With, as far as we knew, only $115 left in the checking account, we weren't sure if we'd be able to buy our usual monthly supply of food.

The continuing resolution just postpones the uncertainty about receiving pay I earned and compensation I'm entitled to until the Christmas and New Year's season. (I would wish the members of Congress a Merry Christmas, taking into account theirs will definitely be better than ours.)
1970 Explorer Class A on a 1969 Dodge M300 chassis with 318 cu. in. (split year)
1972 Executive Class A on a Dodge M375 chassis with 413 cu. in.
1973 Explorer Class A on a Dodge RM350 (R4) chassis with 318 engine & tranny from 1970 Explorer Class A

Ballenxj
Explorer II
Explorer II
Griff in Fairbanks wrote:
Everybody -

I've been off the air for three days due to a large winter snow storm dumping over a foot of snow on us and taking out electricity, internet, and phone service (both landline and cell service).

Stay warm, stay dry, and above all, stay safe. See ya when you can.
Downsizing ๐Ÿ™‚

Griff_in_Fairba
Explorer
Explorer
Everybody -

I've been off the air for three days due to a large winter snow storm dumping over a foot of snow on us and taking out electricity, internet, and phone service (both landline and cell service).

This is the second big snow storm in a week, which is unusual this time of year. Based on long range weather forecast, most of snow should melt off in a roughly a week, so I should be able to get back to work on the house. We probably won't get a winter-long base of snow until Halloween or later.

Haven't been able to do anything for last several days, other than using up a tablet of paper doing things I usually do on the computer.
1970 Explorer Class A on a 1969 Dodge M300 chassis with 318 cu. in. (split year)
1972 Executive Class A on a Dodge M375 chassis with 413 cu. in.
1973 Explorer Class A on a Dodge RM350 (R4) chassis with 318 engine & tranny from 1970 Explorer Class A

Griff_in_Fairba
Explorer
Explorer
76lindy wrote:
Hello there,

I have a 19 inch Dodge B300 Lindy sportsman 360 engine motorhome. I am looking for towing capacity... I don't know if anyone othere with the same type of motorhome has towed a small car? or maybe do you know the exact number of up to how much could I pull with my motorhome without damaging it.

Regards



Off the top of my head, I'd say you have the same towing capacity as a 1-ton Dodge van or pickup. Taking into account the weight of the coach, I wouldn't exceed much more than 3/4 of that amount.

I can't be sure but I think towing a toad might be pushing what your motorhome is capable of. You might be okay on flat land but could experience difficulty in hilly and mountainous areas.

Dodge technicians, via the internet (not the local dealer), may be able to help you. Likewise, one of the manufacturers of towing equipment may be able to guide you.

If you do try this, you'll definitely want to make sure you change your tranny fluid and filter at least yearly. You might also want to install a transmission temp gauge and keep an eye on it. Depending on what the gauge says, and where you travel, you may also want to install a secondary tranny fluid cooler, to supplement the one in the radiator.

Also, keeping the engine tuned up and regular oil/filter changes, based on severe service schedules, will help alleviate the effects of the strain on the engine.

You will want to change the engine oil and filter at least every 6 months and, preferably, every three months. (Ignore oil change frequency based on mileage and rely solely on the calendar for frequency.) You could extend the time between oil changes ONLY if you haven't been using it and the oil was changed within three months of the last use.

Note: The engine in my daily driver van has over 500,000 miles on it and is still running strong, largely due to following the above oil change plan.
1970 Explorer Class A on a 1969 Dodge M300 chassis with 318 cu. in. (split year)
1972 Executive Class A on a Dodge M375 chassis with 413 cu. in.
1973 Explorer Class A on a Dodge RM350 (R4) chassis with 318 engine & tranny from 1970 Explorer Class A

76lindy
Explorer
Explorer
Hello there,

I have a 19 inch Dodge B300 Lindy sportsman 360 engine motorhome. I am looking for towing capacity... I don't know if anyone othere with the same type of motorhome has towed a small car? or maybe do you know the exact number of up to how much could I pull with my motorhome without damaging it.

Regards