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My Science Project - Eliminate Front TV Switch Box - UPDATE

stugpanzer
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Our new (to us) coach we bought just over a month ago (2006 Fleetwood Pace Arror 37c) was a repo unit. When we viewed it at the dealer lot, the entertainment electronics, DVD player, Televisions, etc had been taken by the previous owner. This ultimately was to our advantage because the original TV's would have been flat screen tube televisions. The dealer put Vizio LED TV's in the living room and bedroom. The Bedroom one is a smart TV which is kind of nice as I can setup my wifi hotspot and watch Netflix, etc. The front TV is not a smart TV. The coach originally came with 5.1 surround and all those speakers are where they should be so the dealer put in a cheap RCA DVD/Amp to utilize those. I believe that amp is about 250 watts total which is ok, but almost not enough especially when the AC is running. The connection to the rear TV is via a small switch box which allows coax connections of an antenna, and an aux device. There are two RF modulators to convert RCA connections to coax.

This configuration is not that great. The video feeding back to the rear TV is via the RF modulator from the DVD player/amp. When I got the RV home, I noticed a couple t hings about that setup. One, the video was bad to the bedroom over that coax connection. Two, there was no sound coming into the bedroom from the front DVD/Amp. After looking closely, it seems the RCA DVD player/amp is connected to the front TV via HDMI. When connecting via HDMI on that RCA, it overrides the audio from the standard RCA audio out from the player. I did a work around by connecting the audio of the TV (RCA) to the RF modulator feeding the rear TV. It works but I'm not real happy with that setup.

Some of you might be asking why so much emphasis on the TV entertainment. Why sit inside and watch TV when visiting all these nice exotic campgrounds? I have several answers to that! One, we use the TV's after the campfire when we turn in and want to just relax with a movie. Two, we use the TV's when the weather does not permit outside activities. Three, I telecommute and also have a need to visit my elderly parents that live 450 miles from me to assist them with things around the house. My RV is our entertainment but it is my home away from home as well!

I did some research and purchased the components. They have not all arrived yet but I want to share my plan with you all. This plan will eliminate the silly coax switch box and will give me quality high def signal to both TV's from multiple sources.

The following is my diagram of what the new configuration will look like (on paper so to speak).



The components that will allow me to make this happens are as follows:

Sony BDV-E3100 Home Theater Bluray/Amplifier (1000 Watts) (On order)

Etekcity 6x2 HDMI Matrix Switch (Arrived)

Nyrius Wireless HDMI Transmitter/Reciver (On order)

Another couple items in my diagram are a couple media players of which I have two in the house and can play media off a hard drive (my movie collection):

Brite-View CinemaGo

The other item on the diagram is an Intel NUC PC. This will be a future addition but the idea here is to put a mini computer up in the cabinet that will contain many classic board games for PC. We already have Monopoly and Scrabble. I want to add a powered USB hub and multiple wireless mice so each person has their own mouse to control the game when its their turn. I also would add a small wireless keyboard. This will eliminate carrying so many games with us...many of which never get used. By the way, Big Fish Games has an excellent selection of games and that is where we bought Monopoly and Scrabble. Plus the PC could be good for surfing and/or exploring driving routes, sites, campgrounds, etc. Here's some info on the Mini PC:

Intel NUC Mini PC and HERE is an excellent video on someone setting-up one up.

All parts have arrived and I finally started the installation. So far I have the new Sony Blu-ray player/amp installed as well as the HDMI switch. I have the HDMI Transmitter installed for the bedroom but I have not yet installed the receiver there yet. I also need to do some cable management and I need to install the surge power strip in place of that outlet adapter. On the 'tv' cable harness, there are two satellite receiver cables, a park cable, and an antenna cable. At this time, I do not intend on using satellite. I bought a simple A/B switch for the Park/Antenna cables. That output goes into a splitter and then feeds both TV's.

This photo is how it looked before I started - The RF modulators have my labels on them, such as 'GADGET':


This is what it looks like now. No more switch box other than that A/B switch for the antenna and park cable. As I said before I need to tidy-up the cables:

When viewing the items above, on the bottom is the Sony Blu-ray player. On top of the Sony is the Etekcity 6x2 HDMI Matrix Switch. On top of the HDMI switch box is my 'Gadget'. Just to the left of the 'Gadget' and behind you can see the HDMI transmitter.

One of the really nice things I discovered about this HDMI siwtch box is both outputs can be set to different inputs. SO, I can watch a Blu-ray up front and something on the 'Gadget' in the bedroom. Very cool!

Once I get the final installation done, I will do a final update to this thread. Hopefully the wiring will look much better!
2006 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37C
Mods: EEZRV Products TPMS, Cobra 29LX 50th Anniversary CB radio with Firestik NGP Antenna, Self contained sewer hose
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BoxinTheCompass
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I think you did the right thing with the Sony Blu Ray Home Theater, saves you some space and wiring and all to not require standalone powered subwoofer.

For HDMI and using that over existing coax there are baluns that convert HDMI to coax. So if your RV has coax runs and you want HD to be sent you can use them. They are a little bit pricey

Another option is to use wireless the new standard 802.11ac which is faster than wireless 802.11n to distribute signals, you can possibly use baluns on that also.

I would prefer to transmit video using ethernet throughout the RV and the house for that matter.

Keep us posted on how things are going, oh and one question, how are you securing the components in that cabinet so they dont slide around?

stugpanzer
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TechWriter wrote:
stugpanzer wrote:

The components that will allow me to make this happens are as follows:

Sony BDV-E3100 Home Theater Bluray/Amplifier (1000 Watts) (On order)

Also consider a standard AV receiver. I used a low-profile Marantz in my RV AV system.



Etekcity 6x2 HDMI Matrix Switch (Arrived)

Very nice.



Nyrius Wireless HDMI Transmitter/Reciver (On order)

Much better than pulling HDMI cable




I did consider a surround receiver and was having difficult finding one that supports a non-powered sub as that is what is built into my RV. I considered getting the AV receiver as well as a separate amp for the sub but the Sony seemed the way to go.

The switch is amazing! I would highly recommend it for anyone wishing to switch HDMI to two outputs!

I can't seem to get the wireless to work as yet. I think its a problem with the unit I purchased. They (the transmitter and receiver) are not synching even when placed right next to each other. I am still chasing that for now.
2006 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37C
Mods: EEZRV Products TPMS, Cobra 29LX 50th Anniversary CB radio with Firestik NGP Antenna, Self contained sewer hose

stugpanzer
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@BoxinTheCompass
You are correct that Verizon has been throttling the bandwidth for some. I have not yet experienced that yet but am aware that it could happen. If I was preparing to full-time then I would use the satellite for sure! Right now, we go a couple weeks here and a couple weeks there, etc.

The Sony Bluray player I bought is also the front surround amp and looks and sounds great! My 'gadget' (BriteView) has a 3tb hard drive connected with a huge collection of movie and TV shows so if I am low on signal or bandwidth, I still have options.

Incidentally, as I type this I am watching a movie off my media player 'Gadget' and my wife is in the bedroom streaming a Netflix movie and of course I am on the Internet via my Wifi Hotspot.

I am amazed at the number of outside televisions I have seen at the park where I am now. I see a trend with outside kitchens and TV's. Cool stuff!
2006 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37C
Mods: EEZRV Products TPMS, Cobra 29LX 50th Anniversary CB radio with Firestik NGP Antenna, Self contained sewer hose

TechWriter
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stugpanzer wrote:

The components that will allow me to make this happens are as follows:

Sony BDV-E3100 Home Theater Bluray/Amplifier (1000 Watts) (On order)

Also consider a standard AV receiver. I used a low-profile Marantz in my RV AV system.



Etekcity 6x2 HDMI Matrix Switch (Arrived)

Very nice.



Nyrius Wireless HDMI Transmitter/Reciver (On order)

Much better than pulling HDMI cable


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BoxinTheCompass
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Hi Stug,

Very interesting post (to me that is). I too pondered what to do when on the road with my RV (not purchased yet).

Wire and cable management and nicely dressed cables is a requisite for me, I cant stand that rats nest behind the tv's and home theater. A video/ audio distribution system and standardized cabling such as HDMI or video distribution via ethernet is the way to go.

One thing you will find is even with unlimited mifi plans netflix will eat your bandwidth. All the unlimited plans out there will throttle you back down to 3g or even 2g after you consume 2-3 gigs of bandwidth... so yes its unlimited but at slower rate.

So with that in mind for tv viewing we will rely on satellite tv with Dish tailgater. $45 @ month with no contract is a good price point but I am still investigating and researching that but I dont think I can rely on wireless for nothing more than web surfing and email so will delegate my tv viewing via satellite.

I have also thought about using an htpc or windows media center but the setup times are too arduous and lengthy for mobile installations with mce. I have 3TB video server using playon at home and could take an htpc on the road with me and run that, with htpc setup with playon server running and with some of the low cost Sony Bluray players out there with DLNA each tv can be viewing different content. Also instead of satellite if I go with just OTA I would get the silicondust HDHR tuners and stream live tv to the above sony blu ray players. If you ever have seen the Sony PS3 user interface the bluray player interface is the same... and you can pick up these players refurbished for about $50 off Amazon

Just some thoughts thanks for the bump I would have missed this topic

stugpanzer
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Updated and bumped!
2006 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37C
Mods: EEZRV Products TPMS, Cobra 29LX 50th Anniversary CB radio with Firestik NGP Antenna, Self contained sewer hose

dayakster
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That's pretty cool. I'm in the same boat with TVs needing upgraded but I think since we have every gaming system under the sun that I'm just going to hook the Xbox to one tv and the PS3 to the other and be done with it. That way both TVs will be smart TVs.
Thanks, Kay

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Goldencrazy wrote:
I hope you have unlimited data on your hotspot. Netflix will use a bunch. Campground wifi has a tendency to lack bandwidth for video streaming.


I have unlimited data form Verizon Wireless (grandfathered) which is why as long as I have that I will always buy used data phones! My hotspot is via my phone using Pdanet.
2006 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37C
Mods: EEZRV Products TPMS, Cobra 29LX 50th Anniversary CB radio with Firestik NGP Antenna, Self contained sewer hose

Goldencrazy
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I hope you have unlimited data on your hotspot. Netflix will use a bunch. Campground wifi has a tendency to lack bandwidth for video streaming.

stugpanzer
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rgatijnet1 wrote:
As to your sound problem, have you gone through the setup procedure on each TV? I know that mine has different settings and different sound characteristics based on input/output, movies, games, stereo, mono, surround, etc.


Yes, the sound issue was directly related to the RCA DVD Player/Amplifier. Thanks!
2006 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37C
Mods: EEZRV Products TPMS, Cobra 29LX 50th Anniversary CB radio with Firestik NGP Antenna, Self contained sewer hose

rgatijnet1
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As to your sound problem, have you gone through the setup procedure on each TV? I know that mine has different settings and different sound characteristics based on input/output, movies, games, stereo, mono, surround, etc.

stugpanzer
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MRUSA wrote:
I think your plan is brilliant. Go for it!

Two comments: I don't see any provision for Satellite TV or for park cable TV. These inputs should be provided for.

Best of luck with your project.


I forgot to mention that the new Sony system has Wifi and therefore also all the streaming services such as Netflix. We do have a satellite dome on the coach but have no plans of using it nor do we have plans to use park (cable TV). We plan on using the antenna for local TV for news and weather, etc.

EDIT:
I changed my mind! I think I will at least figure for park cable TV.
2006 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37C
Mods: EEZRV Products TPMS, Cobra 29LX 50th Anniversary CB radio with Firestik NGP Antenna, Self contained sewer hose

MRUSA
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I think your plan is brilliant. Go for it!

Two comments: I don't see any provision for Satellite TV or for park cable TV. These inputs should be provided for.

Best of luck with your project.
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