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Quick mod to maintain engine battery from solar supply

Harvey51
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Explorer
I was thinking how strange it was to be hooking up a battery maintainer to the engine battery of the small class C parked in the driveway when I have a surplus of power from a solar panel on the roof. Too much work to run a new wire - yes. But there is already a wire from the engine battery to the house battery through the Ford auxiliary battery relay in the engine fuse box. I took the relay out and replaced it with a wire:

Presto, the voltage on the battery jumped from 12.5 to 13.6.

Other small MH's might be using the Ford auxiliary battery charging system, which is just another relay in the fuse box like the ones below and to the right of the yellow circle around the missing one. It connects the engine charging system to the wire heading back to a trailer electrical connector and, in my case, to the house batteries. There are four connections on the relay and a nice little schematic with labeled connectors. To be sure, I checked the voltages on the two connectors marked as points switched by the relay. One had the voltage of the house with its solar panel working (13.6) and the other the voltage of the engine battery (12.5). I removed the relay, put spade connectors on each end of a short #12 wire and (after filing the spades narrower and tapered) connected those two points with the wire.

I intend to replace the relay when traveling and camping to avoid unnecessary discharge and the dreaded dead engine battery on a rainy weekend. In winter, I will still disconnect both engine and house batteries.
2004 E350 Adventurer (Canadian) 20 footer - Alberta, Canada
No TV + 100W solar = no generator needed
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Harvey51
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Explorer
Yes, but I would have to run a new wire from the house to the engine compartment to reach the engine side of the relay or the battery itself.

My next little project is to make a step down alarm that rings when I start the engine with the step down. I am thinking of a magnetic switch on the step that switches off when the step is up. I have an easy route for wires from the switch into the house and hopefully can get from there to an engine on live fuse in the inside fuse box.
2004 E350 Adventurer (Canadian) 20 footer - Alberta, Canada
No TV + 100W solar = no generator needed

pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
Hi Harvey51,

The wires are still there--so you could splice into them.

Harvey51 wrote:
Pianatuna wrote:
There is no need to run an additional wire. My trik-l-start resides beside one of the (LARGE) isolation relays and simply connects the house battery side to the engine side.

Ah clever! But my battery isolator is in the engine fuse box.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

Harvey51
Explorer
Explorer
Pianatuna wrote:
There is no need to run an additional wire. My trik-l-start resides beside one of the (LARGE) isolation relays and simply connects the house battery side to the engine side.

Ah clever! But my battery isolator is in the engine fuse box.
2004 E350 Adventurer (Canadian) 20 footer - Alberta, Canada
No TV + 100W solar = no generator needed

EsoxLucius
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Explorer
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pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
Hi Harvey,

There is no need to run an additional wire. My trik-l-start resides beside one of the (LARGE) isolation relays and simply connects the house battery side to the engine side.

I also added manual control to the solenoid(s) (I have two circuits for charging), so I can "shut it down" to avoid overloading the alternator. Duty cycle is 1:3 so on my 130 amp I don't want to go much above 42 amps for very long. My solenoids are rated for 100 amps continuous -- the OEM Ford unit lasted less than one year. I replaced the 60 amp fuse with a 50 amp automatic circuit breaker.

Harvey51 wrote:
Thanks, Treeseeker. I was thinking of an ordinary maintainer but see Trik-L-Start is special. I appreciate the advantage of Trik-L-Start over my piece of wire in preventing discharge of the engine battery into the house and independently regulating its charging.

The idea of running a new wire from house to engine is not welcome at this time, though.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

Harvey51
Explorer
Explorer
Thanks, Treeseeker. I was thinking of an ordinary maintainer but see Trik-L-Start is special. I appreciate the advantage of Trik-L-Start over my piece of wire in preventing discharge of the engine battery into the house and independently regulating its charging.

The idea of running a new wire from house to engine is not welcome at this time, though.
2004 E350 Adventurer (Canadian) 20 footer - Alberta, Canada
No TV + 100W solar = no generator needed

tatest
Explorer II
Explorer II
That's interesting, but the relay in my C that connects chassis to house 12 systems is not in that box. It is a lot bigger, more like a starter relay.

I have that relay slot in my passenger van, but no relay in the slot, because it doesn't have the towing package.

Use of the towed vehicle charge circuit to charge motorhome house supply is kind of neat, intersting that one manufacturer uses it, but for many C motorhomes the power draw will exceed the ratings of that circuit.
Tom Test
Itasca Spirit 29B

TreeSeeker
Explorer
Explorer
Harvey51,

I think you may have not understood Pianotuna's comment about using a Trik-L-Start. This is not a traditional 120VAC trickle charger but rather a device that connects between the house battery and engine battery that keeps the engine battery charged while the house battery is being charged (by another source).

For more about the Trik-L-Start see here.

pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
The problem remains that the ECU "sees" the starter battery and limits charging according to that state of charge.

My 2nd circuit connects directly to the starter battery and I hope "drags it down" to force the ecu into action.

The only sure fire way to get more charging with a single alternator is to use an external diode on the alternator. Then it behaves independent of the starter battery.

So far I have not needed to do this.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

Harvey51
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Explorer
Interesting, as are all your posts! Your system is a full order of magnitude bigger than mine, which has a 100 watt solar panel and the greatest engine charging of my 2 house batteries I have observed is 6 amps.

I don't think there is a larger relay. I spent a fair bit of time looking for the kind of selenoid or solid state disconnect that people with larger motorhomes have posted pictures of. Just now, I went looking for the .88 amps you mentioned. I connected the engine battery through a multimeter set on its 10A range and put another multimeter on 10A in place of the jumper wire. I observed about 0.4 A coming in from the house on the jumper meter and 0.35 charging the battery. With no current coming from the house, about 0.05 A flows out of the battery, which must be the parasitic current of the vehicle. With a door open and courtesy light on, an extra amp came in from the house solar system and didn't go into the battery.

The relay I replaced with a jumper is called the "Trailer battery charge relay" (E). There is a 40 A fuse also named "trailer battery charge relay" (8).

No current rating is given for the relay in the book or on the relay itself, otherwise so well self-documented. However, I happen to have a spare one still in its package that is rated at 40 Amps.

I find it interesting that the system is set up for 40 Amps but only achieves 6 A of battery charging. Maybe I could benefit greatly from one of those DC to DC voltage changers.

I like my little jumper better than a trickle charger. Such an efficient simple solution. No converting DC to AC and back again; only 4 inches of wire! I accidently made it just long enough to work with my clampmeter.

What the heck is the "auxiliary battery relay" (fuse 20 in the photo) for?
2004 E350 Adventurer (Canadian) 20 footer - Alberta, Canada
No TV + 100W solar = no generator needed

pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
After looking at the picture I see a couple of 60 amp fuses. So you may be closing the solenoid by putting on the jumper. But then--my RV only had one 60 amp fuse.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
Hi,

I use a trik-l-start myself.

My Ford v-10 had a sixty amp fuse for the "house" charging circuit. After I blew it three times I moved to a 50 amp auto reset breaker.

In my case (2004 E-450) there was a solenoid which closed when the ignition switch was turned on. I do see up to 70 amps of charging if I'm running my inverter *hard*. I can't imagine that tiny relay in your RV carrying much current. Are you sure it doesn't operate an external solenoid?

I added a 2nd charging path to mine and took over manual control by adding two switches to turn the solenoids on and off. I did that because I have two battery banks.

The solenoids draw 0.88 of an amp each when they are on.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.