Another new generator ban bill in legislation in

[lostbytes]

California. This will take effect middle of next year. Not good. Here's the link.
Sign here!

Will not be able to use air conditioner since having lung issues if passes...

[Skibane]

jdc1 wrote:
Just like the switch from renewable fuels, car mileage milestone for automobiles, and changing over to EVs, California again leads the rest of the nation forward.

And that's precisely what concerns the rest of the nation.

California is full of "ideas so good, they're mandatory" - and they want to spread their social paradise to the rest of the nation.

After all, misery loves company.

Forward, Comrade!

[toedtoes]

Your voices are sqeaking from twisting all your panties so much...

[bob213]

jdc1...I think you might have inhaled a little too much of that smoke up there in the Rescue area. The California wizard politicians keep pushing electric vehicles and are willing to subsidize gardeners to replace their equipment with batteries. Homeowners will have to incur the expense on their own to replace small engine equipment. The big question is "Where is the electricity going to come from to charge all these electric vehicles and tools?" We certainly don't have it now as we are asked to shut things down during a "Flex Alert".

[Timmo_]

Hmmm, so just who are the Elites targeting?

IMO, majority of the impacted consumers will be us working folks--we who enjoy camping (generators) and mow our own lawns (blowers and mowers), and of course the small businesses that cater to the Elites (gardeners, car detailers, caters, etc).

All in the name of Mother Earth.

So, anyone know the carbon footprint parity/breakeven (manufacturing + operation + end of life disposal) for these replacement "cleaner" small engines? In other words, just how much cleaner will they be?

As we know the BEVs have generally--over promised and under delivered thus far.

[jdc1]

Just like the switch from renewable fuels, car mileage milestone for automobiles, and changing over to EVs, California again leads the rest of the nation forward. If new technology cannot meet the requirements by a set date, the date can be changed within minutes. There may not be a replacement for a loggers chainsaw, so those might be around for quite some time. The RV generators may not be affected for the same reasoning. If California doesn't do this, who will? Look at what California has done to enlighten the rest of the country regarding solar. The writing is on the wall for coal, once a high density commercial grade battery source is figured out (saltwater?). The same will happen with EV's. When solid state batteries are perfected, there will be no need for ICE vehicles. We've gone through these phases before.

[Grit_dog]

toedtoes wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
There is already multible threads on this.

The ban against small generators IS NOT going into effect until the technology makes zero emmission generators feasible. The law is about reducing "low hanging fruit" IC engine small equipment use such as personal use leaf blowers and lawn mowers, and encouraging new technology for the rest. No equipment will be banned until the feasibility and technology is sufficient for the usage.

Don’t count on that, I am starting to believe that elected and appointed officials don’t have any common sense at all.
The electric Infrastructure will never be strong enough to away with small generators.

If they can't develop a zero emmisiion generator, then the ban will never happen. Simple as that.

Do you use a generator with your camper? If this is such a great idea, should sell that thing now while it's still worth some money and go on about living green (along with your 50 year old emissions spewing camper)....
You realize you're talking out of both sides of your mouth here, right?

[Bobbo]

toedtoes wrote:

Bobbo wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
There is already multible threads on this.

The ban against small generators IS NOT going into effect until the technology makes zero emmission generators feasible. The law is about reducing "low hanging fruit" IC engine small equipment use such as personal use leaf blowers and lawn mowers, and encouraging new technology for the rest. No equipment will be banned until the feasibility and technology is sufficient for the usage.

You have more faith in the California government being reasonable than I do.

It states it right in the law. No belief required.

Again, you have more faith in the California government being reasonable than I do.

[Skibane]

toedtoes wrote:
There is already multible threads on this.

The ban against small generators IS NOT going into effect until the technology makes zero emmission generators feasible. The law is about reducing "low hanging fruit" IC engine small equipment use such as personal use leaf blowers and lawn mowers, and encouraging new technology for the rest. No equipment will be banned until the feasibility and technology is sufficient for the usage.

As a politician, I declare zero emission generators to be "feasible" and "sufficient" - and therefore ban conventional generators.

There - Problem solved.

[valhalla360]

Might be an issue if you live in California but generally, if it's legal in your home state, interstate commerce laws prohibit the prohibition for those traveling thru.

[F-TROUP]

toedtoes wrote:

Bobbo wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
There is already multible threads on this.

The ban against small generators IS NOT going into effect until the technology makes zero emmission generators feasible. The law is about reducing "low hanging fruit" IC engine small equipment use such as personal use leaf blowers and lawn mowers, and encouraging new technology for the rest. No equipment will be banned until the feasibility and technology is sufficient for the usage.

You have more faith in the California government being reasonable than I do.

It states it right in the law. No belief required.

Coming from a Government that changed mask requirements a hundred times instead of following the science.....

[NamMedevac_70]

SLOW IS BETTER. YEP

[toedtoes]

Bobbo wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
There is already multible threads on this.

The ban against small generators IS NOT going into effect until the technology makes zero emmission generators feasible. The law is about reducing "low hanging fruit" IC engine small equipment use such as personal use leaf blowers and lawn mowers, and encouraging new technology for the rest. No equipment will be banned until the feasibility and technology is sufficient for the usage.

You have more faith in the California government being reasonable than I do.

It states it right in the law. No belief required.

[Bobbo]

toedtoes wrote:
There is already multible threads on this.

The ban against small generators IS NOT going into effect until the technology makes zero emmission generators feasible. The law is about reducing "low hanging fruit" IC engine small equipment use such as personal use leaf blowers and lawn mowers, and encouraging new technology for the rest. No equipment will be banned until the feasibility and technology is sufficient for the usage.

You have more faith in the California government being reasonable than I do.

[toedtoes]

wildtoad wrote:
Maybe I missed it but as I read it, no one is coming for any existing fuel powered tools. Fuel powered tools will still be available for purpose until such time as battery powered devices are up to the task at personal and commercial level. So the actual affect of this legislation may be years away.

YES.