โMar-02-2005 06:20 AM
professor95 wrote:
EDIT ADDED 45/5/2013- When this thread started in March of 2005, I never expected to see it survive this long or amass the quantity of information that has been shared here.
In the eight year run of this thread we have amassed almost 10,000 postings and surpassed a million views. This creates somewhat of a dilemma for anyone who has just discovered the forum.
Since the amount of information is virtually overwhelming, I suggest you set your preferences for this thread to read "newest first" and then begin to page backwards.
What you will find in these pages is a wealth of info on virtually any make or model of Chinese manufactured synchronous (non-inverter) generator in the 3,000 watt performance class. Info will include how to rewire series coils to parallel to obtain maximum wattage from a single 120 volt outlet. Tips on further reducing sound levels, how to care for these generators, which ones are "RV ready" and provide the best overall performance for the dollar invested. Which companies NOT to deal with, where the best prices are, how to safely wire the generator into a home or RV, how to check your RV for electrical faults, sources for generator accessories, which 20/30 adapters are safe to use and which are not. How to convert a gasoline generator to propane or NG. This is only the beginning. The forum has a life of its own with the focus sub-topic switching frequently. Still, the main topic of utilizing the amazing, inexpensive Chinese gensets is always there. The amount of creativity and innovation presented in these pages is indicative of the talents shared in the diverse backgrounds of the folks who make up our combined RV community.
Many of the original brands and models of Chinese gensets mentioned in the introduction and early pages of the thread have since disappeared. New EPA and CARB emissions requirements, company bonds assuring the emissions warranty will be honored even if the company goes out of business, and fierce competition in the industry have changed the playing field. Champion Power Equipment has become the apparent "trophy team" providing an ever expanding retail outlet, an ample parts supply, a strong warranty and excellent customer service. CPE has continued to improve their product and now offers a new model (#46538) with exclusive convenience, safety and performance features aimed at the RV market. Big names like Cummins/Onan, Honda and Generac all now have Chinese built open frame synchronous gensets available. Ironically, the prices often found on these gensets has not significantly changed during the past eight years - even with the devaluation of the American Dollar and new EPA/CARB requirements.
I also encourage you to use the search function and even the advanced search options to find information. Key works such as "rewiring", "PowerPro", "Champion", "Onan Homesite", "Duropower", "ETQ", "Jiung Dong or JD", "Tractor Supply", "Costco", "Lowe's" and "Home Depot" are all examples of keywords that will give you specific information on different models being sold by retailers today.
Or, you can fill your glass with your favorite beverage (keep more close by - maybe some munchies as well :D, sit back at your computer, tell your wife (or significant other) that you will see her in the morning and spend the next 10 or so hours reading through the postings.
No one on the forum gets mad if you ask a question that is a repeat. Please do not hesitate to post to the forum. All questions are considered important and those active on the forum will do their best to respond with a valid answer.
Also note we are not out to knock the Honda, Yamaha, Kipor or other brands of high end digital gensets. We recognize the quality of these products and their suitability for quite, efficient RV use. But, there is a flood of reliable, inexpensive and comparatively lower cost gensets coming out of China that are excellent alternative choices for the RVer wanting power to run an air conditioner, microwave, etc. without excessive noise or breaking the budget.
Oh, one last thing. The folks on this forum are true gentlemen. We do not flame one another or the product discussed - period. Ugly contributors usually have their comments and remarks ignored by our masses. It is not a forum to start arguments to obtain a clear win. We do disagree on many issues, but we have all agreed to do that in a respectable manner.
We now have the introduction of more and more inverter gensets. There is a rather extensive thread named "The Official Unofficial Champion 2000i Generator" on this forum. Today, I added info on the new Champion 3100i inverter genset. Discussion on this product may get moved to its own thread at a later date.
Many have looked upon this thread with distain saying Chinese is cheap and doomed to failure. I remember saying exactly the same thing about Japanese products a few decades back. But, over the past eight years the track record for Chinese built generators has shown otherwise.
Please, join us in a fascinating journey down the Chinese built genset road of knowledge.
This is the question I posted that got it all started back in March 2005.......
Randy
For a little over a month now, I have been somewhat intrigued by the availability of a 3000 watt, 6.5 HP generator at Pep Boys and Northern Tool for under $300.00. The engine on this generator looks identical to a Honda 6.5 HP OHV engine. Knowing that the Chinese have become very adept at โcloningโ reputable technologies from other manufacturers, I was not surprised at the similarities. Neither store could give me any information on the generator nor did they have a โrunningโ display model.
I have done a little research. This is what I have discovered:
Many of these generators are imported by ELIM International (www.eliminternational.com) out of Buffalo, New York from Jiung Manufacturing in China. (The unit at Northern is identical but carries the JIUNG name.)
The engines are indeed a Chinese knockoff of the popular 6.5 HP 196cc Honda Engine. โSupposedlyโ Honda has licensed the engine technology to the Chinese manufacturer of the product.
The Chinese company that makes the ELM3000 generators is a rather large, diverse, long-standing company with a reputation for โabove average qualityโ Chinese made products (Jiung Manufacturing). There are many more Chinese companies making almost identical gensets.
The generators at PepBoys do have a six month limited warranty. But, it is only on the engine (not the generator) and requires paying for shipping to and from Buffalo. Probably not a very practical thing to do if you have warranty issues.
ELIM does supply replacement parts (a PDF parts manual is available on the ELIM web site). No prices are given for replacement parts nor is there an โavailability listingโ.
The generator head itself is a brushless design. The only really significant wear parts in the generator are the bearings โ most likely universally available.
The published dB rating is 67 at 23 feet. This is โreasonablyโ quite for a generator of this size as most comparabl.... The 67 dB rating is the same as Honda gives their 3000 watt CycloInverter with a โlook alikeโ eng...
โFeb-15-2006 06:24 AM
professor95 wrote:Anybody have any thoughts about a Kipor KGE3500TI 3000W generator and where can you get one for $702 shipped?
I was hoping Navychop would respond to this one. There is some (limited) discussion on the Kippor a few pages back. Again, look for comments by Navychop.
As to $702 shipped? I think the forum might like to know that as well. If you have such a source, please share it.
โFeb-15-2006 06:17 AM
Anybody have any thoughts about a Kipor KGE3500TI 3000W generator and where can you get one for $702 shipped?
โFeb-14-2006 05:18 PM
Will I be able to get all the juice through the duplex plugs on this gen or will I be better served with the new PowerPro 3500 with the voltage selector? I will be running a refrigerator on one of the duplexes and an A/C on the other. I appreciate your help. Here is the site: http://cpeauto.com/de3500w_gen.htm
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โFeb-14-2006 06:11 AM
emailed champion today as well. No response yet.
There is something definitely wrong with Champion's logic Here.
If a winding is limited to 14.5 Amps; Due to cross section area for current flow, heat build-up, and/or insulation type. Then its limited to 14.5 amps. Regardless if you are looking at an individual winding at 120 V or both windings at 240V.
What are we missing professor?
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โFeb-12-2006 02:51 PM
just purchased the champion C46535. With the 20A and 15A duplex receptacles and the 120/240 L14 plug. Not ready to rewire for single 120V yet
Generator will be primarily for home use.
My question is this to professor?
Why not put both windings with 20 amp breakers? (replace 15A breaker with 20A). Obviously there is a limit of 6.5 hp but it would appear that since one winding is currently breakered for 20 amps then the generator windings themselfs are capable of handling the amperage. In addition breakers are typically only good for 80% of amperage rating there should be plenty of hp assuming a decent generator effeciency.
In addition,my outdoor temp never exceeds 75 F and generator will be for winter power loss.
I wonder why the existing parallel units are limiting to 13A per winding?
If both winding are 20A, this would allow better use of the existing 240/120 plug to a small transfer switch panel. The small transfer panels at Lowe's have wattmeter per each side and are setup for 120/240 V with L14 plug. I do not plan on starting any loads greater than a 20 amp breaker. NO AC units in Alaska.
โFeb-12-2006 02:15 PM
We are getting ready to use the ELIM 3000 for a trip next month. In terms of safety, is anyone using a portable GFCI with this type of genset?
Do these prevent most occurrences of any type of electrical schock that could occur by using a portable power device?
Does anyone have any suggestions as to the type of portable GFCI would be compatible?
I know this was discussed earlier in this thread, but I just wanted to follow up to see if anyone has had any safety issues.
Thanks in advance!
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