โMar-02-2005 06:20 AM
professor95 wrote:
EDIT ADDED 45/5/2013- When this thread started in March of 2005, I never expected to see it survive this long or amass the quantity of information that has been shared here.
In the eight year run of this thread we have amassed almost 10,000 postings and surpassed a million views. This creates somewhat of a dilemma for anyone who has just discovered the forum.
Since the amount of information is virtually overwhelming, I suggest you set your preferences for this thread to read "newest first" and then begin to page backwards.
What you will find in these pages is a wealth of info on virtually any make or model of Chinese manufactured synchronous (non-inverter) generator in the 3,000 watt performance class. Info will include how to rewire series coils to parallel to obtain maximum wattage from a single 120 volt outlet. Tips on further reducing sound levels, how to care for these generators, which ones are "RV ready" and provide the best overall performance for the dollar invested. Which companies NOT to deal with, where the best prices are, how to safely wire the generator into a home or RV, how to check your RV for electrical faults, sources for generator accessories, which 20/30 adapters are safe to use and which are not. How to convert a gasoline generator to propane or NG. This is only the beginning. The forum has a life of its own with the focus sub-topic switching frequently. Still, the main topic of utilizing the amazing, inexpensive Chinese gensets is always there. The amount of creativity and innovation presented in these pages is indicative of the talents shared in the diverse backgrounds of the folks who make up our combined RV community.
Many of the original brands and models of Chinese gensets mentioned in the introduction and early pages of the thread have since disappeared. New EPA and CARB emissions requirements, company bonds assuring the emissions warranty will be honored even if the company goes out of business, and fierce competition in the industry have changed the playing field. Champion Power Equipment has become the apparent "trophy team" providing an ever expanding retail outlet, an ample parts supply, a strong warranty and excellent customer service. CPE has continued to improve their product and now offers a new model (#46538) with exclusive convenience, safety and performance features aimed at the RV market. Big names like Cummins/Onan, Honda and Generac all now have Chinese built open frame synchronous gensets available. Ironically, the prices often found on these gensets has not significantly changed during the past eight years - even with the devaluation of the American Dollar and new EPA/CARB requirements.
I also encourage you to use the search function and even the advanced search options to find information. Key works such as "rewiring", "PowerPro", "Champion", "Onan Homesite", "Duropower", "ETQ", "Jiung Dong or JD", "Tractor Supply", "Costco", "Lowe's" and "Home Depot" are all examples of keywords that will give you specific information on different models being sold by retailers today.
Or, you can fill your glass with your favorite beverage (keep more close by - maybe some munchies as well :D, sit back at your computer, tell your wife (or significant other) that you will see her in the morning and spend the next 10 or so hours reading through the postings.
No one on the forum gets mad if you ask a question that is a repeat. Please do not hesitate to post to the forum. All questions are considered important and those active on the forum will do their best to respond with a valid answer.
Also note we are not out to knock the Honda, Yamaha, Kipor or other brands of high end digital gensets. We recognize the quality of these products and their suitability for quite, efficient RV use. But, there is a flood of reliable, inexpensive and comparatively lower cost gensets coming out of China that are excellent alternative choices for the RVer wanting power to run an air conditioner, microwave, etc. without excessive noise or breaking the budget.
Oh, one last thing. The folks on this forum are true gentlemen. We do not flame one another or the product discussed - period. Ugly contributors usually have their comments and remarks ignored by our masses. It is not a forum to start arguments to obtain a clear win. We do disagree on many issues, but we have all agreed to do that in a respectable manner.
We now have the introduction of more and more inverter gensets. There is a rather extensive thread named "The Official Unofficial Champion 2000i Generator" on this forum. Today, I added info on the new Champion 3100i inverter genset. Discussion on this product may get moved to its own thread at a later date.
Many have looked upon this thread with distain saying Chinese is cheap and doomed to failure. I remember saying exactly the same thing about Japanese products a few decades back. But, over the past eight years the track record for Chinese built generators has shown otherwise.
Please, join us in a fascinating journey down the Chinese built genset road of knowledge.
This is the question I posted that got it all started back in March 2005.......
Randy
For a little over a month now, I have been somewhat intrigued by the availability of a 3000 watt, 6.5 HP generator at Pep Boys and Northern Tool for under $300.00. The engine on this generator looks identical to a Honda 6.5 HP OHV engine. Knowing that the Chinese have become very adept at โcloningโ reputable technologies from other manufacturers, I was not surprised at the similarities. Neither store could give me any information on the generator nor did they have a โrunningโ display model.
I have done a little research. This is what I have discovered:
Many of these generators are imported by ELIM International (www.eliminternational.com) out of Buffalo, New York from Jiung Manufacturing in China. (The unit at Northern is identical but carries the JIUNG name.)
The engines are indeed a Chinese knockoff of the popular 6.5 HP 196cc Honda Engine. โSupposedlyโ Honda has licensed the engine technology to the Chinese manufacturer of the product.
The Chinese company that makes the ELM3000 generators is a rather large, diverse, long-standing company with a reputation for โabove average qualityโ Chinese made products (Jiung Manufacturing). There are many more Chinese companies making almost identical gensets.
The generators at PepBoys do have a six month limited warranty. But, it is only on the engine (not the generator) and requires paying for shipping to and from Buffalo. Probably not a very practical thing to do if you have warranty issues.
ELIM does supply replacement parts (a PDF parts manual is available on the ELIM web site). No prices are given for replacement parts nor is there an โavailability listingโ.
The generator head itself is a brushless design. The only really significant wear parts in the generator are the bearings โ most likely universally available.
The published dB rating is 67 at 23 feet. This is โreasonablyโ quite for a generator of this size as most comparabl.... The 67 dB rating is the same as Honda gives their 3000 watt CycloInverter with a โlook alikeโ eng...
โAug-17-2010 03:38 PM
byates wrote:
Champion's generator with the 389cc/13hp engine is advertised at 6500/7800 watts with no posted amperage output.
Does anyone know if the champion amps are posted anywhere? The manual says there is a 25amp breaker on the 30amp RV outlet, but I need something more concrete than that.
I can't comment on Onan's service, since my Homesite 6500 has been problem free.
โAug-17-2010 01:34 PM
โAug-17-2010 12:08 PM
Wrace wrote:professor95 wrote:
Translation: The battery goes dead when the unit sits.
So far, I can deal with the pull start on the champion, but I don't know that my wife will be able to should the need the arise during power outages and such.
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โAug-17-2010 08:22 AM
professor95 wrote:
Translation: The battery goes dead when the unit sits.
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โAug-15-2010 01:59 PM
Wrace wrote:
Is there any word on availability of retrofit electric start option from CPE? Is there a website that they will show up on one day that I should be monitoring?
Thanks
โAug-15-2010 10:38 AM
Old & Slow wrote:
John,
Me thinks your project will have the correct bottom line. You have been willing to put it all out there for all to see and follow the trial and error process. Pehaps soon you will have a great answer concerning to more or not to move the muffler. My trial required too much length in the pipe to relocate the muffler. The box was used in a Factory Genset Compartment. The compartment was on the passenger side, requiring a double back. 36" total piping, giving off lot's of heat. Nother thing. I used water/gas 3/4" pipe with 90 degree L's. Creating to much back pressure. Causing ther engine to over heat. Your idea should be a winner. Please give us more info' on your progress in sound lowering. Many are looking for some answers to cool and cut the noise. Do you think more air movement might be necessary?
Floyd
โAug-15-2010 06:40 AM
โAug-14-2010 08:25 PM
Old & Slow wrote:
John, Prof' likes to call you Dr. Austin. For this post I'll just go with John. Just not Dear John;)
Here is what I experienced with relocating the muffler out of the box. I was never able to overcome the heat of the manifold/exhaust. I think you will find 400 plus degrees in the pipe for some distance. Muffler wrap 'might' do the trick to lower this temp. Using a 400 plus degree boiler wrap I was unable to touch the insulation cover. At that point, I decided I would never relocate the muffler. If you find true binefit when the job is completed, that will be needed info' for others wanting to construct an ideal, sound lowering box. I continue to promote the use of the 1/2" 4' x 8' sheets of sound board (the black stuff) from either Lowe's or HD. The board I used is stamped (from HD) 23 STC. Looks like celotex. What I hold to is it's more important to absorb the noise of the gen, not just block or stop sound transmission. I would like to know if you have an opinion of any binifit by using the Hardi product as a first layer. Anyway I'm down to being able to lower the noise from my Champ by 15 dBA with using only the 1/2" sound board and off- setting all air intake and exhaust. No direct 'open' view of the gen. And placing the gen on carpet. The Rubber mating Prof' uses would be perfered. This thread has been a great learning experience which continues. Kidos on your project. Carry on.
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