Magnum Hybrid Inverters

[mena661]

Looks like the hybrid Magnum inverters are available!!!

http://www.magnumenergy.com/Products/MSH-Mseries.htm

http://www.magnumenergy.com/Products/MSH-REseries.htm

http://www.emarineinc.com/products/Magnum-MSH3012M-3000W-12V-Pure-Sine-Wave-Inverter.html

http://www.altestore.com/store/Inverters/Off-Grid-Inverters/3000-to-5500-Watts/Magnum-Energy-MSH3012...

[Unyalli]

Comparing features is interesting as well. They both let you set a maximum AC input current so you won't overload the little 2000i generators or your 15 amp house outlet. They both have temperature compensated 4 stage battery charging. The Vic can add a maximum of 13 amps power assist to what ever your generator is providing. If I limit the shore input to 12amps so I don't overload my little 2000i I can have a total of 25amps to start my Coleman Mach3+. With the optional start cap installed in parallel with the run cap my inrush current is supposed to be around 20 amps so were within spec. Determining the Mag power assist is more complicated as they give far more detailed specs for outputs but don't list a max for the power assist. The stated maximum AC outputs are 25amps continuous, 70amps 1 ms, 40 amps 100ms, and 32.5amps for 5 seconds. We should be past compressor start up at this point. They also state max DC input as 400amps. Sounds to me like it does more power assist.

Jeff

[RoyB]

Don - what happened - You get a big contract for tuning up piano's recently hehe......

Looks like a good upgrade for you... I am still playing with my plug it in here or plug it in there. haha

Roy ken

[pianotuna]

Hi Jeff,

That's an unfair comparison--but my ideal inverter would be PSW, stand alone, 12 volt and 3600 watts continuous.

I could start with one Victron and add a second one if need be. Magnum doesn't offer that feature. Don't get me wrong, I believe the Magnum is a great unit.

The Victron Quattro can be connected to dual 120 volt power sources. "More Power

Two AC inputs with integrated transfer switch. The Quattro can be connected to two independent AC sources, for example shore-side power and a generator, or two generators. The Quattro will automatically connect to the active source. "

[Unyalli]

pianotuna wrote:
Hi Unyalli,

The Victron can be stacked. I'm not sure the Magnum can be.

Understood but now were talking 4 grand instead of 2 grand.

Jeff

[pianotuna]

Hi Unyalli,

The Victron can be stacked. I'm not sure the Magnum can be.

[Unyalli]

The comparison is interesting.
Mag vs Vic
3000 2500 continuous output power watts
8400 6000 peak (surge) power watts
60 50 transfer relay amps
125 120 max charger output amps


Mag made in USA
Vic foreign

I'll give a few hundred bucks more for the mag no problem.

[pianotuna]

Hi,

I wish Victron had a straight inverter rather than inverter chargers.

[mena661]

smkettner wrote:
Why a dream? Victron 3kW $1,985 or Magnum 3kW $2,223
I would take the Victron any day.

$2000 for an inverter qualifies as a dream in my house. :B

[time2roll]

Why a dream? Victron 3kW $1,985 or Magnum 3kW $2,223
I would take the Victron any day.

[mena661]

Unyalli wrote:
Not to downplay Magnum at all but this tech has existed in the Victron Multiplus inverters for a while.

Jeff

The Victron is a "dream" inverter for most of us here. 🙂

Unyalli wrote:
http://www.donrowe.com/inverters/msh_m_series.html

[Unyalli]

http://www.donrowe.com/inverters/msh_m_series.html

[Unyalli]

Not to downplay Magnum at all but this tech has existed in the Victron Multiplus inverters for a while.

Jeff

[BFL13]

That is so nifty! Congratulations on a really fine job of meeting that need.

[mena661]

Thanks very much for that info Gary!!! Great stuff!

[GBaxter]

Magnum has shipped 24v models so they are available for sale. There are two models currently available MSH4024M is the mobile version, ground switching, single pole 60A relay, 120 Vac output.

The MSH4024RE has no ground switching, dual inputs, one generator @ 60A and one grid input @ 60A.

There is one 12v model MSH3012M which has the same features as the MSH4024M above in 12v and as mentioned hopefully available in August. There is a parts shortage of one of the 12v components used exclusively in the this model.

All the MS and MSH model sync with the incoming ac waveform before they transfer to make sure the loads stay on the same phase during transfer and will stay synced until they hit the low voltage dropout setting.

The way all the MSH models load support is by monitoring ac input current. When the shore (or grid input) amp setting is reached the inverter will automatically start to pull current from the batteries and add to the input current. In some cases it may help hold up the voltage depending on the source. If the source is grid then there is no way a 4kw inverter and some batteries are going to raise the voltage on the whole grid, if it could we wouldn't need substations on the grid.

If the source is a small generator then it may help stabilize the voltage but remember the inverter is always synced to the incoming waveform and it will try to follow that waveform as long as it stays connected. The way it can help a generator and the way the Trace SW series helped (it could not raise the voltage either) was it will load support and try to take some load off the generator in hopes the generator can pick up its voltage running less load.

The MSH will continue to Load Support until it reaches .5 VDC above the inverter Low Battery Cutout setting. It will then return to charge mode to bring the batteries up to charge.

I hope this helps,

Gary