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MrWizard
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Ok, I went off.the deep end?
Bought 3 used 37watt uni-solar panels and a blue sky 2000e controller for the hefty price of $400,
They were being listed as 75w panels, they are not

The tested open circuit voltage was 21+, short circuit amps 2.9
I tested each panel multiple times tilted into the sun and laying flat on the ground , got the same readings each way, that was the deciding factor, they appear to put out full power while laying flat, I will try to mount them tomorrow before it gets hot, right now 104ยฐF
I will use the existing wiring until I buy & install the new wire
I can explain it to you.
But I Can Not understand it for you !

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BFL13
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You must be doing something right, or you would sure notice any progressive losses.

Do you mean that desulfater works from solar power (12v) or does it operate from 120v from the inverter as maintained by solar?

I am thinking it would be a good use of the "spare" amps the MPPT solar controller can provide instead of heating water with it.
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MrWizard
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I'm not really seeing that condition
Generally we use one of the generators everyday,
And then the solar covers part or all of the day time power requirements
I generally get at least one day a week of long runtime for a full charge or dang near like 99%
Full

I'm not doing 40-80,

I'm sure there have times when I ran an extra charge day in week, because the bates seemed a little low or my pc use was heavier

I think I've managed to prevent most of any progressive sulphation
Also it should be noted these batteries have a pulse desulphator attached to them that is automatically on, when ever there is a charging voltage present from any source,
Hopefully this has played some role in keeping them in shape
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BFL13
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Mr Wizard, I don't recall if you have experienced/measured "progressive loss" of capacity from not recharging to 100% each cycle, and if you have, what you do about it. Can you expand on that a bit? Thanks.
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
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MrWizard
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Sunday 5-1-11

peak amps 15.29
peak watts 209.20

total amphrs 110.4
total watthrs 1590.9

this was absolute minimum use of generator,
make coffee, make breakfast 30 minutes, heat lunch 6 min, heat supper 7PM 15min

this lucks real good, until you subtract the power used during the same time period,
several fans, 120v residential fridge cycling on off, parasitic loads etc.

by dusk at 8pm ZERO solar output
total measured power consumed "turnigy power meter" 80.99 amphrs, 1063.4 watthrs

net gain 29.41 amp hrs, 527.5 watthrs, or 6.6% of capacity

assuming that my batteries were full at 8pm saturday night, and that they were at a calculated 75% this Morning, they needed to absorb 110amp hrs to recharge to full, the net gain recharge equaled 26.73% of NEEDED, 6.6% of total capacity, so I went up to 81% SOC

this was for the 11hr period from 9am to 8pm and included (2) hrs of TV 6-8pm, the worst time as far as charge compensation, but we are NOT day time TV watchers except for special events, ( she loves figure skating ) and watched 4hrs on Sat, when the generator was topping off the batteries

the upside is that during the middle of the day the numbers were much better
at 11:56 am solar 13.28a @ 14.77v 195.9w output
total was at 47.7ahrs
power use was at 17.9ahrs
62.5% of solar power returned to batteries 37.5% used,
29.8amphrs returned just 0.51 amps hrs less than the total for the whole day

at 3:09 pm solar 10.43a 14.8v
total 86.86 amphrs 1258.5 whrs,
used = 36.28 481.5 whrs,
Net gain 50.32 amphrs , 773.4 whrs returned to the batteries,

4:42 pm solar 9.22a @ 13.69v
total 103.05 ahrs 1491.7 whrs,
used = 48.23 ahrs 643.2 whrs
Net gain 54.82 ahrs 848.5 whrs
( this is the point where I should have started the generator )
after this it starts loosing instead of gaining

5:38pm charge is down to less than 1.9amps 12.65v
battery is discharging at the rate of 6.2 amps ( my use is more than the input )
loads total 8.1amps

solar total 108.63 ahrs 1568.5 whrs , total used ?? i didn't record it

6:22pm solar output 1.5a 12.49v
battery discharge 19.1 amps, total load 20.6amps

lights TV etc..

6:50 solar 1amp

8pm NO solar output

total solar 1590.8 whrs, 110.4 ahrs
total used 88.99 ahrs 1063.4 whrs used

(2) hrs of TV was a good size dent approx 38 ahrs consumed

conclusion batteries at 81% SOC at 8pm sunday night, Monday morning expect batteries to be approx 55-60% SOC

while I can maybe do this for 1 or 2 days ??
we are better off charging the batteries to 90% in the morning and letting the solar top off the batteries and supply the daytime usage so the batteries are at a higher SOC come dark, our net gain is more by charging in the morning and not suffering as much net LOSS, with another charging run in the evening, when the battery drain is the heaviest and solar output the least


these numbers Reflect our system and OUR use patterns
the 120v electric compressor fridge uses power that an LP fridge would not use IF on LP,(but less power than an Absorption fridge on 120v )

our batteries are NEVER at rest, they are always in use, unless the charge power is greater than the power drain, then they are charging, when NOT charging they are being used, we full time, the inverter power is is always on, it might be idling, it might be charging our phones or PC's, it might be running the fridge
we have two 12v 300MA fans behind the fridge the are on 24-7 unless being cleaned

as always your MILEAGE WILL VARY

this was an attempt at max solar charging
the morning battery readings will be the telling sign
Don't know if I can do this (2) days in a row, don't know how hard it will be on the 4 GC's, i'll make that decision tomorrow, or have it made for me by expedient need of recharge ??
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mena661
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MrWizard wrote:
Friday 4-29-11

nice sunny day, had to make a run to dump the holding tanks

total watt hrs 1481.9
total amp hrs 102.6

peak amps 15.41
peak watts 207.6

getting close
Nice! Thanks for continuing to post this.

MrWizard
Moderator
Moderator
Friday 4-29-11

nice sunny day,

total watt hrs 1481.9
total amp hrs 102.6

peak amps 15.41
peak watts 207.6

getting close
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MrWizard
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numbers for Monday 3-28-11

NICE SUNNY DAY

total watt hrs 1340.3
total amp hrs 94.98

peak amps 16.5
peak watts 230.0

Tues 3-29-11

total watt hrs 1208.0
total amp hrs 86.06

peak amps 17.49
peak watts 230.0
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KendallP
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Hey, you know me. Capacity is king!

The only minor drawback is that it becomes a little bit more challenging to top off and/or equalize via solar. And it's nice if we can get our batteries completely topped off once a week or so, eh?
Cheers,
Kendall

MrWizard
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more batteries mean less amps charge PER battery from the solar, but it also means less ampHrs pulled from each batttery while discharging, i do not expect my USE amount to change as we are NOT doing ultra conservation right now, this is OUR HOME and we use power accordingly as needed to be comfortable, I have florescent lighting NOT LED and expect to stay that way for the immediate future, compact FL for 120v fixtures and 12v FL for the ceiling fixtures, we will not be using more OR less with more batteries or more solar, only the load will be spread and possibly OCCASIONALLY extend the NON-op time period being generator runs, but then the runtime will have to be extended to restore the larger battery bank, its all a matter of trade off's

Yes the. Onan is 6.5kw

but i try NOT to run "that one" too much and prefer to run the 3k champion

I will run the onan when raining, or when i need both A/C units or the A/C and something else
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KendallP
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MrWizard wrote:
the additional 4 batteries will add 320 ampHrs of capacity for a total of 760 ampHrs, this will hopefully make the solar charging and converter charging more efficient and extend the life of all batteries involved

Of course there's also more to top off then too.

Is your genny capable or running the A/C(s) along WITH that shiny new WFCO? 6.5KW? Or...?
Cheers,
Kendall

MrWizard
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1600whr is the approx total use in 24hrs (when I say day, i mean a 24hr period)

if I get 1500 watt hrs in the summer, the generator or driving only has too make up the difference

i'm getting over 1kwhr per day NOW on sunny days, 1200+ the other day
but that still leaves 400-600whrs to made up by other fuel burning means

I know when it's 100+ F, i will be parked in the shade and running the A/C

but I hope for the solar charging to Hit a break even point before that becomes necessary r

the additional 4 batteries will add 320 ampHrs of capacity for a total of 760 ampHrs, this will hopefully make the solar charging and converter charging more efficient and extend the life of all batteries involved
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pianotuna
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Hi Mr Wizard,

You use 1600 watts a day--assuming five hours of sunlight in the summer time the 321 watts on the roof may end up "carrying" everything but the air conditioner. Of course, that leaves no margin for battery recharging.

How are the plans for the new battery slide out going? What will be the capacity after that?
Regards, Don
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MrWizard
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Big question
guaranteed success would mean designed like an off grid stick house

Enough solar to power all daily use while recharging batteries enough batteries to supply all power for multiple days of bad weather

A low power energy. Efficient. Fridge

i'm guessing 700w might do it in the summer time, but for winter i would need 1000w on the roof to get the same output charge into the batteries

my 321 watts is a big help, in the dead of winter it was meeting about 42% of daily needs
right now it is meeting almost 75% (with clear skies)

during the height of summer it might meet almost all except for A/C needs

at this point thats all i'm hoping for, off setting some of the power costs, maybe i can a get few more panels later this yr
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MrMudstud
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MrWizard........If you ONLY run your ref and the normal parasites that draw the few watts, how much solar watts panel would it require in the summer? How about in the winter when you have a high angle from the sun?....Thanks

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MrWizard
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321 watts
I can explain it to you.
But I Can Not understand it for you !

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